With your Indulgence G. Rayadillo, the tomb of Gen. Licerio Geronimo in Mausuleo delos Veteranos was now empty. The remains of the late general was transfered in his native town of Montalban on February 20, 1993.
Thanks for the update Mr. Macky.
Gee, it's rather strange that they would still put his name on that niche when his remains are already somewhere else, unless some of his ashes were left there?
I'm getting wary of local Philippine documentation. One never knows for sure. I wonder if there are any pictures of the exhumation or even just the funeral service of general Geronimo's reinternment?
I wonder if there might even be some kind of "anti-illuminati" plot to lessen the occult "energy" of the mausoleum? Or perhaps, could the fact that he became a constabulary officer for the Americans later on have anything to do with the transfer?
Somebody could make serious money out of making an occult-conspiracy fiction thirller "ala Da Vinci Code" using these mysteries ;D
Last Edit: Aug 20, 2008 9:55:46 GMT -5 by RayAdillO
I like this neo-classic ornamental relief. The "fasces" carried by ancient Roman lictors was indentified more as an international symbol of "republicanism" when this mausoleum was erected, prior to the rise of mussolini's "fascists" in Italy.
Mussolini and Hitler were obsessed with ancient Rome, fusing 1930s fascism with ancient republicanism. In a very perverse sense, the fasces came to symbolize fascist Italy, in much the same way that the Roman legions' eagle flew at the head of Nazi Germany's hordes.
There's a very interesting Discov feature on this particular fascist obsession with Republican/Imperial Rome; got to watch it a few years back. I'll look it up.
I'll concede Ceasar, Octavian/Augustus, the so-called Good Emperors, and their successors down the line weren't all exactly paragons of idealized Roman republicanism - far from it - but neither were they in any manner close to their supposed 20th-century "heirs."
My view is that the earlier symbolism of the "fasces" or "the bundle of sticks" had closer links to the idea of "state authority" being vested into the hands of the senate and the people of Rome or S.P.Q.R. rather than caesar, Republic as opposed to Imperial. It is the eagle which symbolized caesar.
This is why classic republicanism regards Brutus and Cassius as the real heroes rather than Julius Caesar.
This can be seen in the example of the French revolution when the anti-monarchists declared a republic and adopted the fasces as their symbol along with the tricolor.
Of course this was changed when Napoleon rose to power, crowned himself emperor and adopted the imperial eagle.
It is perhaps puzzling that the U.S. is a republic, yet it adopted the eagle, but you can still see the fasces symbol in some places like the congress building.
I don't know how exactly the fasces came to symbolize the fascists, but I suspect that since fascism opposed the anti-state rhetoric of Marxism yet embraced certain aspects of radical socialism, it was eager to promote the idea that they were the preservators of state order....the confused irony that civil liberty is better protected by surrendering it to the state which alone is in the best position to protect it.
Napakalapit sa katotohanan ng gawa ni GW Peters, Kung iyong mapapansin yung petsa ng kanyang Obra. Ito ay may petsang 1899 at sa aking pagtataya ito ay nalikha 3 araw hanggang dalawang linggo matapos mapatay si Lawton.(Naganap ang labanan noong Dec. 19, 1899 dalawang linggo bago ang 1900. So! sa pagitan ng mga petsang Dec. 19 1899 to Dec. 31, 1899 nalikha ni GW Peters ang kanyang obra na kung saan malinaw na malinaw pa sa mga eyewitness ang mga pangyayari at ang lugar kung saan siya namatay.
trans: GW Peters' depiction is very close to what happened. The date of his work is 3 days to 2 weeks after Gen. Lawton's death. So GW Peters drew this picture between Dec. 19, 1899 and Dec 31, 1899 -- when it was still fresh from the memory of eyewitnesses how it happened.
Battlefield historical research sent in by Macky as analyzed by various historians ------------------
Hand drawn maps In regards to the map on Dumindins webpage, and Dinwiddies map...both hand drawn maps look identical to one another but one is slightly off. You can tell one is copied after the other. I would have to say William Dinwiddie's map is the original...and the other was copied after Dinwiddies map. All of Harpers Weekly books are now considered historical and are constantly used as references. Dinwiddie was also physically there in Philippines, he visited San Mateo, and drew the map himself. I find this drawing key in to giving us a real idea of the true layout of the battle field. I do not see any other map being any more accurate.
Thanks Chard for showing giving us this!
Mackys Drawings Macky I believe your google-battle-map rendition to off a little bit. The River Merge North of the town can be seen even when the top merging river is dried up today. Dried up rivers are usually easy to spot on google.maps. I can also see the great river that used to run infront of my moms house in Pangasinan...you can not see it when you are physically there, but you can see the outline of it on the google satellite map. Heres the dried up sections of the river
I find Dinwiddies map to be of great help. If you take both the google map and Dinwiddies map and resize them to the same proportions, Dinwiddies map is near spot on in dimension! On your rendition Macky, the island in the river is extremely large(300-400meters long and very wide). Also your river swells beyond the lines of the city. haha
Given the actual photo you showed us, the city looks to me as if it is on a high plateau.
Sketchs of Lawton shot I remember seeing a photo taken of a igorot in 1900...and an artist came along and sketched that same igorot....both looked identical to one another. These artists and sketchers are great! These artists were in the Philippines at the time also. I find all the sketchs of Lawton hold clues as well. To me, even the bushes/trees in the background of Lawton are a clue.
Many artist of that time did their own investigation, they would ask soldiers of their account and where they were. So, even if the artist was not there at the time of Lawtons death, he would travel to the area and talk with soldiers, so IMO what he draws still holds true to a certain extent. Given the seriousness of Gen Lawtons death, I believe that entire town and area was visited by all war correspondents. In this particular sketch, notice the shooters in back of Lawton and the line that continues down along the hedge row. In Dinwiddie hand drawn map, I believe that line to be that of the 29th Inf, and that hedge line would be the "bamboo fringe" also designated on Dinwiddies map. Across the river I would say is the little island...and directly across from the US soldiers is the southern trench of Gen Geronimos men.
Chards photos of the Lawton monument revealing I feel these photos are significant because they give us an idea of what the place looked like.
Post by Macky Hosalla on Sept 1, 2008 8:36:05 GMT -5
Actually it was Kevin(Dimasalang)who analyze it. Itoy isang breakthrough! Sa kanyang analysis ay makakapaghinuha na tayo ngayon ng kung ano nga ba ang totoong nangyari sa nabanggit na labanan.
THE MERGING RIVER
The merging river(Dead river on the contemporary satellite view) north of Gen. Geronimo's defenses was perfectly drawn by William Dinwiddie. Ito ang magsisilbing batayan ng aming iba pang analysis at ito rin ang magtuturo ng mga posisyon ng dalawang magkalabang panig sa actual battlefield.
Post by Macky Hosalla on Sept 9, 2008 0:53:32 GMT -5
During my field research in san mateo LAST SUMMER(Trying to figure out the defenses of Gen. Cerio in the area)I was able to find one of the descendant of Gen. Cerio's supply officer in the tercera zona.
Hindi ko alam, basta parang may nagtulak lang sa akin na uminom ng Softdrinks sa tindahan nila tapos ilang tanong tungkol sa battle of san mateo and yun na they presented the case of their Lolo.
Ang pangalan ng lolo nila ay si Felipe Fernando, isang Katipunero at supply officer ni Gen. cerio sa tercera zona.
Na excite ako kasi binigyan nila ako ng newspaper clippings tungkol sa interview ng lolo nila patotoo na isa nga siyang katipunero. At nalaman ko na may 70 hanggang 100 katipunero pa pala ang nabubuhay at nagkikita-kita sa san mateo during the 1960.
TIRADORES DE LA MUERTE
Naniniwala akong, malaki ang maitutulong ng oral history ng pamilyang ito(Fernando)sa aking paghahanap sa pamosong mga Tiradores de la muerte ng san mateo.
Naniniwala akong kilala sila ng nalalabing anak ni Felipe Fernando na ngayon ay matanda na rin at kung mailalahad lamang niya sa akin kahit na pangalan lamang ng mga nakasalamuha ng kanyang ama noong dekada 60 ay madali kong mahahanap ang mga ito sa san mateo.
Ang Totoo ay binigyan nila ako ng lead tungkol sa tahanan ng isang Katipunerong(Telesforo Santos)sinasabing pinagsimulan ng kwuento tungkol sa kabayanihan ni Pvt. Bonifacio Mariano ang pinaniniwalaang bumaril at nakapatay kay Gen. Lawton.
I don't know what, but I got the urge to buy softdrink from a store at San Mateo. While there, I asked about the battle of San Mateo and they told me about their Lolo (grandfather).
Their grandfather's name was Felipe Fernando, a Katipunero veteran and former supply officer under Gen. Geronimo at Zone 3. I got excited when they showed me old newspaper clippings about their grandfather's interviews as a former Katipunero. I found out from these newspaper clippings that around 70 to 100 Katipuneros still held reunions at San Mateo in 1960.
Tiradores de la Muerte I believe that oral history from the Fernando family will be very valuable in my research on San Mateo's Tiradores de la Muerte. They also gave me a lead on a where a Katipunero (Telesforo Santos) lived. He had told many stories about Pvt. Bonifacio Mariano, the soldier believed to have shot Gen. Lawton.
More info from Macky from collective research with Dimasalang et al.
Hi Macky, I can't keep track of whose analysis is which. Just post clarification if needed. Thanks. I'll translate later if I find time.
Kasama ng email na ito ang artikulo ni G. Nick Marte(Mirror Magazine) na nagsasaad ng labanan sa san mateo ayon sa pananaw ng mga Pilipino.(Isa sa tatlong tala ng mga Pilipino na aking nakalap tungkol sa labanan)
Dito, ikinikuento ng mga eyewitness na Filipino kung ano ang mga nangyari noong araw ng Dec. 19 1899. Although may mga inconsistency(Memory Gap dala ng sobrang katandaan)ay mapanghahawakan ang nasabing dokumento sapagkat lahat ng na interview ni G. Nick Marte ay mga Taal ng San Mateo at nakatira mismo sa lugar ng pinaglabanan.(Battlefield)
Tiya Ina(Victorina Linco)---Hipag ni Gen. Licerio Geronimo thru his second wife Cayetana Linco(Tiya Ina and Cayetana Linco is a great great grand lola of Richard Rivera---Tagailog.)
Tata Porong(Telesforo Santos) -- Bayaw ni Capt. Celedonio Salamat ang sinasabing pinagmulan ng kuento tungkol sa kabayanihan ni Pvt. Bonifacio Mariano.
Capt. Celedonio Salamat ---- Ang sinasabing nag-iisang saksi tungkol sa kung papaano napatay ni Pvt. Bonifacio Mariano si Gen. Lawton. ---- Pinaghihinalaan ko ring siyang Kumander ng Tiradores De la Muerte ng san mateo ----
Pvt. Bonifacio Mariano ---- Ang sundalong tinuturong siyang nakapatay kay Gen. Lawton sa battle of san mateo.---Pinaniniwalaan ding isang Tiradores de la muerte---
This is my findings on Gen. Lawtons location prior to his death in san mateo. Ayon sa tala ni Dinweddie at iba pang mga saksi.. Nagkita-kita ang pwersa ni Gen. Lawton sa mataas na lugar(Bluff)west ng san mateo. (According to Dinweddie and other witnesses, Gen. Lawton's forces started out at the high bluff west of San Mateo)
Ang mataas nalugar na ito ngayon ay ang Brgy. Batasan Hills at ilang bahagi ng Brgy. Payatas. Sa lugar(Tapat mismo ng Batasan Pambansa)may nakita akong isang luma at sira ng marker na itinirik ng Pugad Lawin Foundation(Di ko pa nakukuhaan ng Picture yung marker dala ng nakakatakot na ang lugar dahilsa mga squatters)di ko na maalala yung citation pero may salitang "Eagles Nest"
(This high bluff now is Barangay Batasan Hills and some parts of Barangay Payatas . Right by Batasan Pambansa (Congress?), I saw an old and worn out marker that was erected by the Pugad Lawin Foundation. I haven't taken a picture of it yet because it's in a bad part of town now. I don't recall what the inscription says but it has "Eagle's Nest" written on it.)