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Post by insurrectomad on May 30, 2010 5:50:16 GMT -5
To all critics of the Filipinos action at Balangiga, I suggest to mention the killings that took place, when Gen.Funston and his Macabebes captured Aguinaldo! Deception was the order of the day then! Can not photos of the bells be obtained? Fibreglass replicas could then be made for display in the Balangiga museum. A notice of where the original ones are located in the States could be posted alongside, with details and any contributions from the American regts. It's not as if they would ever be rung again in Balangiga. Collaboration with the Americans could reap many rewards: such as asking for a major contribution to the cost of the making of the replica bells and display unit. One could request of the 9th & 11th Inf. any items of US Army uniforms, artifacts etc that they would be willing the give us and wish to see displayed in the showcase. Camp Hovey, S. Korea is not too fare away, so they could be invited as honoured guests at the next reectment event. Surely this is the better approach to the matter? --David
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Post by VeeVee on May 31, 2010 7:26:44 GMT -5
Filipino's perspective or not, the Balangiga Massacre is written by victors (the Americans) so there are much bias on it. What beancent said is right, its not a massacre, its a "Great Raid", a successful engagement made by the Filipinos. After my lecture at the National Museum about the "Philippine Revolutionary Uniforms & Victorious Battles" & said that this battle is a Filipino Victory, one audience commented to me that the Balangiga Massacre is not a Filipino victory because the Americans are not ready. But I did not answer him, just smile at him. But in my mind I'm laughing. Mean to say if the Allied Forces will attack Normandy in 1944, they must say... "Hey, the enemy is sleeping, we'll wake the Germans first because its unfare for them" Bwa-ha-ha. Why, the enemy should always be ready before you fight them??? That's why there are Raids, Ambush, Surprise Attack, etc.... kind of engagement. How about the other surprise & successful battles done by Europeans & Americans? Are they not considered victory? Its not our problem that our enemy is at the disadvantage side. This is a Filipino Victory & the Americans cannot take a defeat, thus to avenge it, they massacred the innocent people in that place & that's the "Massacre". That is the real Balangiga Massacre. Mabuhay; Perry Do you remember who made that comment? It's very common though that people try to sound like they know what they're talking about when they don't (I myself am guilty of this many times). Obviously the person who made the comment was not a military man. Or it could have been a red herring... a "bait" question to generate reactions, also known as "trolls" in forums As an aside... I personally usually not dwell on whether something is a defeat or a victory when teaching others about history. Rather I focus more on the ideals that was stood up and fought for. I feel it usually carries more weight in the appreciation and esteem of history. Cheers, more power on your lectures.
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Post by galahad143 on Jan 11, 2011 0:34:24 GMT -5
I finally was able to upload my Balangiga photos during my visit to the town in Samar back in 2006. and here's a story about the Balangiga bells I found on youtube.com www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggHX7xxUzdM
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Post by paopadd on Jan 11, 2011 17:53:24 GMT -5
I'm agree with Perry at 100% !!!!!!
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Post by VeeVee on Jan 14, 2011 18:48:01 GMT -5
What a pretty elaborate monument! ...And well maintained too. Thanks for posting it Galahad
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Post by insurrectomad on Jan 26, 2011 6:44:52 GMT -5
Given the cunning deceit of Gen. Funston and his assault on the H.Q. of Aguinaldo, the Balangiga attack was just a payback event in kind! In regard to the bells, I have a suggestion. Why not ask the Americans as a goodwill venture to send fibre-glass replicas of the bells and invite the US Army reps. to the unvailing in the Balangiga Museum. The originals would be better looked after in America. An inter-nation participation event could lead on to obtaining copies of other items taken as war trophies and all would benefit as a result. Even large framed coloured photos of all these things, would be of great benefit to Phil. museums etc. An approach from a highly positioned Phil. official I think would achieve a great deal. At the very least it is worth a try, don,t you think? David
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Post by 79thfoot on Feb 7, 2011 6:04:20 GMT -5
I agree with David... it would be a nice gesture, given that we've pretty much buried the hatchet and the originals WOULD be much better cared for here in America - I've seen guns marked with the seal Nec Pluribus Impar of the French Bourbon kings in Long Beach that were captured from the Spanish still in relatively great condition. Like it as not, the bells were taken as battle trophies and that's hard to give up, but then since we're all friends now, replicas would be nice.
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Post by 79thfoot on Feb 7, 2011 6:28:19 GMT -5
Oh and speaking of Silbey (on the other thread) - Silbey actually acknowledged that the Balangiga attack was a highly successful raid and not at all a massacre.
It's the same way that in the American revolution, the Paoli "Massacre" by British troops under "No flint Grey" is called such but "Mad Anthony" Wayne doing pretty much the same to the Brits at Stony Point is a "Great Patriot Victory". It just depends on who's doing the "massacring" and the WRITING!
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Post by VeeVee on Feb 7, 2011 11:16:57 GMT -5
Oh and speaking of Silbey (on the other thread) - Silbey actually acknowledged that the Balangiga attack was a highly successful raid and not at all a massacre. It's the same way that in the American revolution, the Paoli "Massacre" by British troops under "No flint Grey" is called such but "Mad Anthony" Wayne doing pretty much the same to the Brits at Stony Point is a "Great Patriot Victory". It just depends on who's doing the "massacring" and the WRITING! Very true. I live a few miles away from Paoli. They do hold reenactments of that battle/massacre. I'll see if I can take pictures of it sometime.
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Post by 79thfoot on Feb 12, 2011 23:00:11 GMT -5
Cool! That would be much appreciated =) Thanks VeeVee!
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Post by insurrectomad on Mar 3, 2011 21:01:15 GMT -5
How would that critic in the audience describe Gen. Funston's capture of Aguinaldo? Or the Trojan Horse, Gen. Wolfe's assault at Quebec, The Great Raid at Campus, to name a few. Quote "All is fair in love & war!" David
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