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Post by VeeVee on Dec 11, 2006 23:11:54 GMT -5
I think it all boils down to money and custom taxes. You pay the customs taxes, you get it in.
From what I've gathered, airsoft is now legal in the PI provided the proper permits are secured from the PNP. These are replicas of modern firearms that shoot actual projectiles. If those are legal, surely a non-firing replica model will also be legal.
I'll try to find out more.
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Post by Sandata on Sept 22, 2007 18:19:11 GMT -5
I know the UP DMST has a rayadillo honor guard corps and thats where the honor guards came from. Their M14s just look out of place beside the resplendent finery. They should have raided the UPIS armory with the dummy M1s - it would have been closer to the bolt action rifles of the time, if not in look at least in age! We didn't have M1's at UPIS. We drilled with dummy 1903 springfields, remember? According to Perry, the M1's and 1903's at DMST were taken by the government to secure the firearms against terrorists, coup plotters, politics, what have you. As a result, I think they were stuck with airsoft replicas. But I agree, the dummy non firing 1903's from our high school would have been a better substitute. It was during President Cory Aquino's visit to UP Diliman at the May 1986 Commencement exercises when the UP Armory was dismantled. Her overzealous security at the time was the RAM group under "eternal coup plotter" Gringo Honasan. When the RAM inspected and discovered the regimental-size stockpile at the UP Armory, they "advised" the AFP Reserve Command what to do about it. The weapons in the UP Armory were confiscated and carted off to the Philippine Army. A few months later, the newly established CAFGU (Civilian Armed Force Geographical Units) in the countryside were being armed with well-preserved US M1 Garand rifles. (Where else could they have gotten them?) By this time, 21 years after, those M1s are probably rusty and malfunctional from lack of care and spare parts. That Armory stockpile was the parting gift of the US Army to the University of the Philippines when the country became independent. Those M1 rifles (and a fully armed heavy weapons platoon stockpile) had been well-preserved from 1945 to 1986 (41 years!), only to be thrown away to the winds by the UP Administration and the AFP. The UP ROTC Corps of Cadets Artillery Battalion had enlisted as a group and marched off to Bataan in 1941 to fight the Japanese. That batch of UP students died in the jungles and never graduated. Col. Virgilio Aganon, UP DMST Commandant, wants to dig up the record of these UP students and put up a marker in the UP DMST Quadrangle to honor their sacrifice. If we can't find their individual names, they at least deserve to be honored as UP's Unknown Soldiers. It's so sad that the UP Administrations of various periods have continued to neglect this brave episode and let such important historical details and memorabilia fade. Let's make this a BNK project to revive the memory of our fellow UP students who defended their country in time of war.
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Post by legionnaire on Sept 22, 2007 18:27:09 GMT -5
Here here! yes I support that plan and it should be made. If not who else? Thanks for the info Selwyn.
That is truly sad and a waste of historical treasures of the university.
Philip
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Post by arnaldodumindin on Nov 10, 2007 1:30:21 GMT -5
Andres Bonifacio's 141st birth anniversary is fast coming up. When we honor him this November 30th, let's shun those chic Rayadillo uniforms !!! In fact, in his time, if he only had the chance, he would have shot anybody who wore the Rayadillo !!!
The fact is, NO KATIPUNERO EVER WORE THE RAYADILLO.
A brief review of the Katipunan is in order:
The Katipunan was founded on July 7, 1892. As the revolution progressed, a split developed between the Magdiwang faction (led by Gen. Mariano Álvarez and loyal to Bonifacio) and the Magdalo faction (led by Gen. Baldomero Aguinaldo, cousin of General Emilio Aguinaldo), both situated in Cavite.
At the Tejeros Convention on March 22, 1897 --originally called to discuss the defense of Cavite --the delegates voted to do away with the Katipunan (a mere Association with arcane Masonic underpinnings) and instead set up a formal Revolutionary Government of the Philippines.
Emilio Aguinaldo was elected President; when his own election as Director of the Interior was questioned for lack of credentials, an insulted Bonifacio invoked his primacy as Katipunan Supremo and with a pistol in hand (he wanted to shoot the objector, Daniel Tirona) hotly declared that the convention was voided and its decisions nullified.
The convention went on, did away with the Katipunan, and formally established the Revolutionary Government of the Philippines. It unified the various ragtag rebel forces into a Philippine Revolutionary Army organized along modern lines (in Filipino "Hukbong Pilipinong Mapanghimagsik" and in Spanish "Ejército Revolucionario Filipino").
The Revolutionary Army -- Aguinaldo's Army-- adopted the Rayadillo as official uniform. When independence was declared on June 12, 1898, the Revolutionary Army became the Philippine Army, and the Rayadillo remained as official uniform.
Colonel Lazaro Makapagal ---now an officer of the Revolutionary Army and no longer a Katipunero--was in a Rayadillo uniform when he carried out the execution of Bonifacio and his brother on May 10, 1897.
Let's also purged another historical inaccuracy: if Bonifacio saw that monument in front of Vinzons Hall at the University of the Philippines in Diliman, Quezon City, he would think it honored another man.
Bonifacio never carried a bolo in battle; he possessed one but he had an aide carry it for him. He only used it for ceremonial purposes. He was a pistol-packing city-bred insurrecto. He always buttoned his shirt; he dressed smartly. He carried himself with dignity and did not go around barefooted even in battle. In fact, at the Cry of Pugad Lawin, he wore a coat and tie !!!
Arnaldo "Butch" Dumindin AB History-University of the Philippines-Diliman '77 Advanced ROTC -U.P. Diliman '77 Commander, U.P. ROTC Rayadillo Battalion 1975-76
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Post by beancent on Nov 10, 2007 11:21:34 GMT -5
yes that's correct. the first (and only) historically correct portrayal of bonifacio is the bronze cast sculpture of the late guillermo tolentino. the so-called "Monumento" in Caloocan. I wonder why he is always portrayed as an obrero or "anak pawis. Maybe so the masses can identify themselves with him. In fact he was an illustrado if one truly knows the meaning of the word. He may not be rich, but he was an "enlightened" Tagalog. If we'll put it in the present social context, Bonifacio can be considered a yuppie.
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Post by faustino on Nov 10, 2007 22:22:58 GMT -5
Andres Bonifacio's 141st birth anniversary is fast coming up. When we honor him this November 30th, let's shun those chic Rayadillo uniforms !!! In fact, in his time, if he only had the chance, he would have shot anybody who wore the Rayadillo !!! The fact is, NO KATIPUNERO EVER WORE THE RAYADILLO. Interesting.... so are you saying then that Macario Sakay was never a Katipunero? was he not Magdiwang? My god! even Artemio Ricarte who never surrendered is not really a Katipunero? Could you be suggesting that all of these thousands of patriots who started out in the Katipunan (whatever faction) and later wore the Filipino adaptation of the Spanish Rayadillo are no longer qualified to retain the title of Katipunero? We better locate and notify all of their descendants.... Just kidding ;D The Katipunan was a principled belief system... there was nothing written about a dress code (that I know of) I don't think they had much time for that kind of nonsense.... they used whatever was available in the early days. I think it just bugs you that a group of non-egg-headed patriots got together and found a way of honoring their hero's and expressing their love of country without your blessing and the blessing of all the rest of you friars of academia. besides... I think you're missing the whole point... these guys are doing their impressions of Filipino soldiers of the Revolution in general, in honor of Bonifacio.... not a specific time or event as you have assumed..... matter of fact, if Bonifacio's ghost happened to be floating by and saw this event and this display of Filipino pride I really doubt he would be offended... only hyper-intelligent people like you would get miffed.
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Post by RayAdillO on Nov 11, 2007 0:44:38 GMT -5
Butch, I don't see anything wrong with this picture. The guys did not intend to represent the Katipunan "Spy Network". Their intent was to represent the Philippine Republican Army (in defiance of their Magdalo political superiors). You will notice that a direct descendant of General Antonio Luna is among them.
And even if they did mean to honor Bonifacio as Katipuneros, then wouldn't you think the best Katipunero would therefore have been a deep penetration agent firmly entrenched within the Spanish colonial army wearing rayadillo? ;D
Buhay Na Kasaysayan - Philippine Living History group
But seriously, I have reason to believe that the "enemy colonial soldiers" which Bonifacio more often faced during his lifetime were these BLUE CLAD, BAREFOOTED LOCAL TROOPS SPORTING THE "FERNANDINA" STYLE HEADGEAR WITH WHITE AGUILETTE CORDS ACROSS THEIR CHESTS.
To Filipino minds of that era, the Rayadillo was more like a pattern rather than a color. It represented something like what we might regard today as a "camoflage pattern" (which in many insurgency wars both rebels and government troops often wear), or something like turn of the century khaki which armies of many nations actually used; and sometimes in the same war on opposing sides.
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Post by beancent on Nov 11, 2007 1:17:41 GMT -5
he he he... maybe what butch is trying to say is that no katipunero wore the rayadillo during the first phase of the revolution and made use of their daily attire. there may be a lot of reasons for this. One is that the Katipunan is a secret society. Although it has a hierarchy, it is not militarily organized like the Republican Army of 1897. Also, imagine Katipuneros charging the Polvorin wearing rayadillos or any other Spanish regulation uniform. It would spell chaos. he he. Rayadillo's right about the rayadillo as more of a pattern than a color. It was the "style" or "uso" of those times. But, Katipuneros also wore the rayadillo during the later phases of the war. The phases of revolt are: * the katipuneros of 1896 * the revolucionarios of 1897-98 * the insurrectos of 1899-1902 *and the so-called (and forgotten) bandoleros of 1902-1907
Rayadillos or no rayadillos they fought.
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Post by Battlemaster on Nov 26, 2007 22:30:33 GMT -5
My 2 cents. As it is now known, Macario Sakay was recognized as the Third Supremo of the Katipunan. Fortunately, an actual photo of Macario Sakay and his companions was done. And guess what the 6 of them were wearing in the period photo? Yup, it was the Rayadillo. Whether Bonifacio himself wore or did not wear the Rayadillo is immaterial, what is being honored is not the uniform but the man, the hero that most people recognize, Andres Bonifacio. We can wear whatever Philippine military uniform we like in honoring Bonifacio or any other hero whether it be the tribal uniforms of Lapu-lapu and his men, the Rayadillo, or even the modern AFP uniform. Honoring Bonifacio with any Philippine military uniform or militaria whether Rayadillo or a Philippine tribal battle uniform or any other wear that was used by a Filipino fighting for independence and the colonial yoke gives this hero only even greater prestige. It is a symbol that ALL Philippine military men bow before him, those in Rayadillo included, in full respect for his courage and as being the leader and first Supremo of the Katipunan.
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Post by faustino on Nov 27, 2007 9:03:02 GMT -5
I still say what really motivated Butch's statements was his indignation that a group of non-elite amateurs dared to dabble with Philippine history.... you know... only trained professionals should be allowed to properly administer Philippine history, otherwise people could overdose on all the inaccuracies and mass panic and hysteria could ensue.
Rubbish!...... History is not like currency, it is not distributed by a bank and carefully budgeted by each individual.... history is something we are all obligated to share.... we give it away for free to anyone who will take the time to listen.
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Post by legionnaire on Nov 27, 2007 16:41:42 GMT -5
the Third Supremo of the KKK, Macario Sakay along with his officers posing with their Rayadillos photo courtesy from the collection of Mr. Nestor Vera Cruz Bonifacio Illustration wearing a Rayadillo image courtesy of Pedro JavierBonifacio & Some Katipunan also wore the Rayadillo
1. Bonifacio according to the research of a well known historical artist Dan Dizon wears a Rayadillo during battles unlike the traditional Kamisetaor shirt with red pants seen on most paintings & sculptures. Its because artist interpretation sometimes show symbolizism of Bonifacio as the leaderof the mass (Masang Pilipino) who also dress like a peasant.
2. The photo shown above is the sketch of Bonifacio made during that era which is also displayed in NHI wearing the Rayadillo.
3. Just after the Aug 1896 Revolution outbreak, they adopted a rank & during Oct 1896 they changed the rank placing it on the cuffs as shown on the research. The said rank lasted from Oct 1896 until when Gen. Luna changed the rank system in 1898. During 1896 until 1897 before Aguinaldo disbanded the Katipunan after deceiving Bonifacio in a corrupt election in Tejeros Convention, all revolutionaries are called Katipunan & many of which wears the rank on the cuffs which is placed on the Rayadillo uniform & not on any dress. This showed the Katipunan were wearing the Rayadillo even before it became a Revolutionary govt.
4. One of the main members of the Katipunan which includes Bonifacio, Jacinto, Sakay, Valenzuela,... one of the member is a soldier serving the Spanish army with a rank of a corporal who joined the Katipunan during the early days. Many of the Filipino native soldiers & even Guardia civil joined the Katipunan after the out break of the Revolution. Those ex-soldiers wear their supplied uniform of Rayadillo
rgds;Perry
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Post by faustino on Nov 27, 2007 17:10:07 GMT -5
It should also be noted that the only thing SPANISH about the uniforms the Filipinos wore is the blue and white striped fabric (rayadillo) The cut and style was uniquely FILIPINO..... compare the design of a Spanish uniform to a Filipino version, there are huge differences. Even the buttons and insignia were distinctly Filipino.... they had to continue using Spanish weapons and equipment for obvious reasons.
You could look at uniforms used other revolutions and civil wars and spot the same similarities.... during the American Revolution the Continental Army's uniform was identical in cut and fashion as the British the only thing differentiating the two was colors, Americans had blue coats w/ buff facings the British wore madder red coats w/ white facings.
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Post by beancent on Dec 12, 2007 14:07:50 GMT -5
STANDING (L to R): Benito Natividad, Lucio de Vega (hanged) SEATED (L to R): Julian "Julian Makabayan" Montalan, Francisco Carreon, El Presidente Macario Sakay (hanged) and Leon D. Villafuerte
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Post by GHosalla on Mar 6, 2008 23:29:29 GMT -5
To: Ginoong Armando Dumindin,
Sir,
Can you please contest this man on his negative view with Gat. Andres Bonifacio. Was he right by saying that Bonifacio was a villain and not as what popularly known as a Hero?
G.Hosalla
Bonifacio revisited Thursday, January 31, 2008
By Antonio C. Abaya
IN KEEPING with the “on-the-other-hand” spirit of this column, I yield the space to engineer Dante Balacanao of Los Angeles, California, who not only has a critical view of Andres Bonifacio but also concludes that Bonfiacio’s personality flaws encapsulate the fatal tendencies of modern Filipinos toward dysfunction.
Wrote Balacanao:
One aspect of my job as an Engineering and Manufacturing Technology Specialist is to find ways to improve the process. When a negative trend occurs, a root cause analysis is required to prevent reoccurrence, inform the workforce, and improve the culture. With this in mind, I decided to write this article after witnessing a number of incidents that showed a negative cultural trend. These incidents happened in the Los Angeles area in the early ’90s, but similar situations [have] occurred among Filipino organizations in other cities in the US.
The events concerned three local organizations: the alumni associations of the University of the Philippines and Ateneo University, as well as Radyo Pinoy (a CB radio hobby) group). These groups had similar experiences. They had normal disagreements, but what followed wasn’t. Instead of making up by finding common ground, some members decided to quit and form rival groups.
In one case, the feud was serious enough that it ended in court! In Radyo Pinoy’s situation, new chapters sprung up as a result of internal conflicts. In a five-mile radius, there were 5 chapters. This was extraordinary because distance or communications were non-factors. CB’s range thousands of miles and every member owned cars. Yet they couldn’t find common ground to unite. This wasn’t normal for educated people for education teaches unity based on common goals. This spurred me to do a root cause analysis for such odd behavior and take appropriate action to reverse the trend.
I was disappointed when the cause led to the second most popular national hero, Andres Bonifacio, my idol since Philippine Science High. If heroes were meant to be role models, then the members of these fractious organizations were consciously or subconsciously imitating the infamous act that led to Bonifaciio’s execution. In that incident, Bonifacio attempted to split the revolutionary movement by forming a rival group after loosing the leadership. With its possible impact on Filipinos, I decided to research weather Bonifacio deserved to be a national hero or villain. The results were more disappointments. What Bonifacio did reflects the modern ills of Philippine society. Here are some of the results in timeline.
—July 7, 1892, Katipunan, the secret organization that will eventually lead the fight for Philippine independence was founded in Manila by a group of indios. The first president or supremo was Deodato Arellano. Bonifacio was the first comptroller.
—Feb. 1893, Roman Basa replaced Deodato Arellano for being ineffective.
—1894, Tomas Remigio accused Andres Bonifacio of mismanaging Katipunan funds.
—Early 1895, Andres Bonifacio deposed Roman Basa as supremo due to disagreements over the management of Katipunan funds and personal issues.
—Aug. 29, 1896, Bonifacio failed to give the signal for a coordinated uprising at midnight. He overslept. Bonifacio’s tardiness was partially blamed for their defeat.
—Early Dec. 1896, 2,000 soldiers and 6,000 rifles arrived from Spain. On Dec. 17, Bonifacio went to Cavite in order to settle the feud between the two dominant Katipunan factions, the Magdalo and the Magdiwang. It was written that Bonifacio already lost the fight in his areas of Manila and Morong. According to two Jesuit historians, Andres lost all 27 of his battles.
The last province left able to fight was Cavite. Andres would be welcomed at the border by Emilio Aguinaldo and Edilberto Evangelista. Emilio would later get elected as the first president of the republic. Edilberto, a native of Manila with an engineering degree from Belgium, would later die from a sniper’s bullet. Edilberto was responsible for training the indios in trench warfare. Emilio Aguinaldo and other prominent Magdalos wished for Edilberto the presidency because he was educated and effective. It was reported after that meeting that Aguinaldo and Evangelista had the same impression. That Bonifacio acted like “parang Diyos” one who suffers from god complex. The 27 defeats weren’t enough to humble the supremo.
—Dec. 29, 1896, the first attempt (the 2nd would be Tejeros Convention) to consolidate the Katipunan factions through an election was held in the house of Baldomero Aguinaldo (then leader of Magdalo) in Imus. The event quickly fell apart thanks to Andres Bonifacio’s lack of decorum, divisive action and arrogance.
From the onset, Andres invited himself to the presidential table, as well as his Magdiwang allies, to sit with him (the Magdiwang’s was led by Mariano Alvarez, a relative of Bonifaciio’s wife). Andres then proceeded to preside over the occasion without allowing the homeowner and leader of the rival Magdalo faction to say anything. It was total insult. The meeting was called off without resolution.
—Feb. 16, 1897, Edilberto Evangelista, who was supposedly out of range from the ongoing battle in Binakayan, was killed by a sniper’s bullet. It was suspected to be an assassin hired by Bonifacio, because Edilberto was the biggest threat to Bonifacio’s leadership at this point.
—March 1897, Bonifacio prevented Magdiwang fighters from reinforcing the Magdalos who were fighting a major battle. Bonifacio went to the extent of threatening bodily harm to whoever disobeyed him. In another incident, Bonifacio handed out cash like it was his, to the Magdiwang forces that won a battle. The money came from Katipunan funds because Bonifacio was poor.
—March 22, 1897, Tejeros convention/election was held. A great majority of voters were Bonifacio’s men and his Magdiwang allies. The result, all elected officers except the presidency were Magdiwang’s Emilio Aguinaldo, the only Magdalo and president-elect, was absent during this event; he was leading his men in the battle of Salitran. Bonifacio didn’t win any post because even his own men knew he was incapable of leading. This was an example of democracy that worked because it was able to expel the ineffective without bloodshed.
—March 24, 1897 Gen. Crispulo Aguinaldo (Emilio’s brother), who assumed command in order for Emilio to take his oath of office, was killed in the battle of Salitran.
—April 29-30, 1897, during the trial of the Bonifacio brothers in Naic, it was divulged that Andres refused to honor the result of Tejeros Convention. That Andres tried to form a splinter group and paid an assassin to kill Emilio Aguinaldo.
—May 10, 1897, the Bonifacio brothers were executed for treason.
—Early 20th century, the Bonifacio letters were touched up, improved, or forged.
—1932, Philippine Congress declared Nov. 30 Bonifacio Day, one of only two national holidays named after individuals (the other was Jose Rizal).
Before passing judgment, I’d like to share this story for perspective. It happened to a country with better unity and loyalty. Thanks to farsighted founding fathers that understood their choice of heroes and villains will likely become the blueprint for the national conscience.
It involved the most brilliant general of the American Revolution. A man who won so many battles that if not for a bullet to the leg that ended his military career, he could have taken Canada for the US. In one victory, they were outnumbered 20-to-1. Yet, this man turned traitor for he tried to set the capture of George Washington to the British. His name was Benedict Arnold.
There’s a statue of his likeness in New York State without his name. For even today, the name Benedict Arnold stands for treachery, the biggest obstacle to nation building. The Americans anticipated the consequences if Arnold got a favorable verdict; his bad example would be copied. I believed the negative cultural pattern in the Philippines was the result of Bonifacio being declared a national hero.
Comparing outcomes, it’s obvious the American founding fathers made the right call. They had the foresight to anticipate that elevating a man guilty of treason to hero status was like poisoning the mind or injecting virus into a computer. The result will be total system failure. By branding Arnold a traitor, American founding fathers started a positive cultural pattern for future generations to follow. Comparing Arnold’s plan to sell Washington to the British and Bonifacio’s idea of starting a civil war in the midst of revolution would be like surgical cut to major depopulation. Yet as bloody as Bonifacio’s plan was compared to Arnold, Bonifacio became a Philippine national hero while Arnold the unofficial “national villain” of America! The Americans knew the importance of setting high standards for their heroes.
It’s worth noting Bonifacio’s character traits, for this mirrors the worst in modern Philippine society. I’m referring to the pride, divisiveness, corruption, crab-mentality, and last but not lest, selfishness. For it was said that all sins stem from selfishness. Bonifacio deserved to be called the most selfish revolutionary of his generation. He chose self-interest over the greater good.
For this, he shouldn’t be considered a true warrior.
With these in mind, it could be said that the congressional act of 1932 was the catalyst for the corruption of modern Filipino psyche (pilipit na katwiran). For that irresponsible stroke of legislative pen pried the pegs of reason and virtue off the cultural foundation, plunging the country into dysfunction. For morality and critical thinking was replaced by what could be termed the Andres Bonifacio complex. These are splitting the organization to form a rival group, showing extreme pride after committing shameful acts and refusing to relinquish power. His elevation to heroism condemned future generations to unjust suffering by holding on to wrongful or superficial values.
Isn’t it amazing how a talented hard-working people, with solid basics at hand by the middle of the 20th century, managed to squander everything? It’s like inheriting a bad habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory... It is time to cast the name Andres Bonifacio from the roster of Philippine national heroes. A decent country deserves a better role model than a “hero” with a legacy of conceit, deceit and defeat.
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Nationalist-communists worship Andres Bonifacio because he had the “right” social background; he came from the proletariat unlike Jose Rizal and Emilio Aguinaldo who came from the property-owning upper middle-class. (When Joma Sison organized the Kabataang Makabayan in 1964, we held our first general meeting on Nov. 30—Bonifacio Day.)
But, comrades, Bonifacio overslept when he was supposed to lead the initial uprising, and lost ALL his subsequent battles. He also came close to wrecking the revolutionary movement, just because he could not win its leadership.
Surely we deserve more heroic heroes than this.
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Post by VeeVee on Mar 7, 2008 18:00:56 GMT -5
My 2 cents... That's an interesting point of view. The person who wrote the letter obviously put some thought into it and you could almost see his point. Almost... What I don't buy is his theory that people emulate Bonifacio that's why the Filipino community/nation are the way they are. That is quite a stretch as far as common sense goes. Maybe logically it makes perfect sense (IF THEN ELSE THEREFORE...) But that line of thinking just conveniently assigns the blame to a guy who's been dead for over a hundred years. It's ridding ourselves of the responsibility of why things are the way they are. Most Filipinos don't even know the specifics of Bonifacio, let alone subconsciously mimmick him. For his specific examples about the factions in the L.A. Filipino community, I think it's just due to: - Too many ego-centric, self-centered members. Instead of keeping the higher goals in mind, they act on their emotions and offended sensibilities; Too many people want their way or the highway. They can't defer to anyone of their peers, they think they're better than anyone. They can't get their egos stroked so they start their own thing where they could be number one. - Not enough people who take the high road; People would stoop down to deal a "low blow" ("below the belt" in Filipino phrasing) because their sensibilities were offended... ; Being petty is another way of putting it. - Crab mentality; If I can't take credit... you can't take credit. I was here first but you're getting all the recognition or worse... all the money... no I can't and won't help you. - Low self-esteem... I'll put people down so I can feel important and competent. (self-esteem not to be confused with ego) - Then there could be just plain corruption. I could go on. That's us. You, me. We've all been there or witnessed something like that at some point. I never personally met Bonifacio (wink) and never really knew him but poor guy... he's being made a scapegoat by the guy who wrote the letter. The problem here is not Bonifacio's legacy being smeared. The problem is us. Le'ts take responsibility for the way we behave and treat each other. "Huwag na nating patulan ang nagsulat non." One can write a rebuttal citing Bonifacio's credits and achievements but that's really beside the point isn't it? The real point is why the heck do we behave like this? It doesn't change how those LA Filipino organizations deal with each other... which is also played out in many other places and especially back home. Let's not look at Bonifacio and debate about him. Let's look in the mirror. Sorry... stepping down the soapbox now. Cheers!
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Post by texian13cav on Mar 7, 2008 20:45:01 GMT -5
Once again, VeeVee has to" step up to the plate" and be the voice of reason. I know personally what "crab mentality" is... It means" If I can't make it,,, I will do anything possible to prevent YOU from doing so... I get tired of being ripped-off in the P.I. just because I'm a "Cano" I wish I was rich like most people there seem to think I am, but as we say in Texas : Wish in one hand and nuts in the other and see which one fills up fastest !!!
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Post by texian13cav on Mar 7, 2008 21:23:05 GMT -5
"nuts" ? Pasay loah ako ! I should have said "tae" or "merde" or "schiesse"... I just don't understand all this division about the Filipiono people fighting for their FREEDOM...
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Post by VeeVee on Mar 7, 2008 22:56:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the support Texian. I didn't mean to go off like that. Someone still needs to post a rebuttal to Dante Balacanao's arguments if anyone is so inclined. I just feel Bonifacio is not the issue in the posted news column article but something more current and present.
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Post by texian13cav on Mar 8, 2008 0:00:45 GMT -5
Walay sapayan, VeeVee...Naka sabot ako...
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Post by faustino on Mar 8, 2008 11:40:10 GMT -5
d**n!.......picking on Bonifacio... well I think that is just pathetic and pointless, so I'm not going to dignify that guy's rotten comments with a long defense of Bonifacio's reputation because some things like truth and heros need no defense, they speak for themselves. I am however curious about these flakes who seem to take so much pleasure in slandering national hero's.... it is an epidemic of sorts, it's been going on here in the US for decades as well, from George Washington to Davy Crockett all of them so called "villan's" by whacko historians ..... so I often wonder if men like Bonifacio are not really hero's then who is? who do they consider a genuine hero? I think it's just a slithery way of telling everyone "see! see! we are not so great! our hero's suck and we suck as well"
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