now,now, now!!! I agree with VeeVee. To be 100% accurate is not easy and very hard. It took me almost 15 years to get my stuff together and I do not even have a horse anymore. Plus I am an old guy playing a young 20 year old. Not very accurate. Enjoy what you guy's have accomplished in such a short time. It is what you represent that counts. Remembering our dad's, uncle's, cousin's, brother's and like General Ortega, "memories" that we can not even think of. Martin the horse tasted a little tuff but gained 10 pounds>haha Pvt. Cabigas/26thCav
Can I ask why you think your an old guy playing a 20 year old? This ain't the ETO in 1944. This is the US Army before the war and right at the begining. I was just reading the other day about a Sgt in the 31st Infantry, that was in Mexico, WW1, China and the Phillipines. He would not have been 20.
The reason Martin is, I am representing my dad or uncle at his time period when they were 18-20 years old> Right now I am close to 60. Of course there were older soldiers but I would guess not many at 60. Most joined at 18 or so and put in 30 which were the senoir NCO's or Officer's. The main point was what VeeVEE wrote. To be 100% accurate is very tuff and expensive. Have a great week. PVTCabigas/ 26thCav/1923
The reality of the reenacting situation is, most use the age card as a weapon. It is a way to make up for lack of knowledge, lack of the correct items in their impressions. The older people that use this are wanting an excuse quite often. They don't want to be authentic. They say " well, I am not right from the get go, so what does anything matter"? This impression besides being interesting, shoots all that stuff in the foot. We were talking about this the other day at an event. We had to weigh what we lost vs what we gained. We were losing some stuff in our display. All of our commo gear is later. Even our field phones have canvas cases. I didn't even think about little things like leggings. Gotta have brass hardware. Guess what I gotta buy? Even seasoned reenactors have to re-gear to do this impression. There is no body making correct M1937 Khaki shirts at this moment. We are looking at some alternatives. Sure you can wear wool. It is only documented for a certain time of the year. I don't see them in any of the surrender photos. I am guessing that the time of the fighting was not that time of year. It takes sometime to get this going.
Your age? Who freaking cares? We are here to tell a story about a tragic/heroic time in history. We are not the ones that gotta get into that whole common everyday reenactor thing. Let them go play with the SS.
Again a point missed. If age bothered me I would not have been doing this for 15 years. I am not using the age thing for an excuse. Just again saying and seems you agree, 100% accuracy is difficult. Going out and remembering my dad and unlce's is what I only care about. But now I met other wonderful Filippino guys that are having fun like I did by myself up here in Upper Calif. By the way my new friends, you can count on me for money or any extra article's I have to support you down there. I am at this time going to make you all some inert 30-06 rounds so you can put them in your ammo belts. I of course brought real one by mistake and stirred up Joe Lopez. I'll share my old brass with you guys. I can make some 45 auto for the belt clips also. Martin can you send a photo of yourself in one of your outfits so I can put a face to the name in Kansas. Everyone have a great one.
Oh, I am not only speaking about your age. I am talking to all the WW2 guys that come on hard here and let thier events look like garbage. They need to start in thier own backyards and worry about that. They need someone to tell them that. They don't seem to get it on thier own.
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Post by legionnaire on Jul 25, 2007 13:16:15 GMT -5
Sure you can wear wool. It is only documented for a certain time of the year. I don't see them in any of the surrender photos.
Yes I did notice that all the surrender photos everyone were wearing khaki's. And could never find one wearing wool shirts.
But I asked a 26th PS Vet at the Reunion last May and he said they wore a shade of green wool like shirt all the time, even during the Bataan campaign. And said it was only officers who wore khaki shirts. Why they did not wear khaki shirts was because in the jungle you were clear bright targets. And it seems it was more common to wear khaki shirts with US troops at the time of the battle of Bataan.
In the book "Odyssey of a Philippine Scout" the wore wool shirts during the months on Nov. to Dec. proboably till January. The cold season in the Philippines.
My take on this khaki vs wool shirt thing is this. There are only a few surrender photos, taken by the Japanese. Most of these photos were of Americans because they're the ones the japanese wanted shown as being conquered. Most of the Americans in Bataan were rear echelon, grounded airmen, beached sailors. Most of them may have worn mostly khakis like their uniforms on base.
Aside from the US 31st Infantry and the PS officers and PA advisers, the only other American real combat troops were the tank battalions. It's possible that none of the combat infantrymen were in any of these surrender pictures, thus all the khakis...
The combat infantrymen as well as the cavalry may have all started out wearing OD shirts. But of course they may have had to scrounge for or get re-issued with replacement shirts because of combat wear and tear. I know that in the book Baby of Bataan, the author had had to change to khakis because his uniform got all torn up. This happened in January at the Abucay line. By April, I'm sure many soldiers had mixed and matched gear and uniforms. Heck they would have been thankful just to have something to wear.
Notice all the OD shirts;
45th Infantry PS
PS combat engineers
31st Infantry in Intramuros (officer in khaki, enlisted intrantrymen in OD)
-------------- From the book Odyssey of a Philippine Scout by Maj. Arthur Kendal Whitehead
As the weather cooled, woolen shirts replaced the khaki worn during the hot season. Otherwise the uniform remained the same the year round; khaki breeches, boots, and campaign hat, which was exchanged for a steel helmet in the field. The Scout wore an ammunition belt with suspenders, on which was attached his first aid packet, a pouch holding two pistol clips of .45 ammunition and his pistol holster. In his pistol was a third clip of ammunition. The rifle ammunition pouches on his belt were filled with eight-round clips for the M-1 rifle. Rifle ammunition was ball, except for one clip of armor-piercing and one of tracer. The gas mask hung on his left side.
He rode the standard US Army McClellan saddle. His bridle was the standard military bit and bridoon (bit refers to the curb, bridoon to the snaffle) which requires a double headstall and two sets of reins. In the field, a leather halter was worn beneath the bridle, a halter shank of hemp rope snapped to the halter ring, the free end passed over the animal's neck and tied in a knot similar to a hangman's. On the pommel of the saddle was strapped a nosebag, with a feeding of oats and a raincoat. The cantell roll, made up of a woolen blanket, mosquito bar and shelter half was strapped behind the saddle. In the cantel bags were carried a set of horseshoes , and nails, a grooming kit and tent pegs and ropes, a mess kit, emergency rations, toilet articles, a towel, and anything else a trooper can cram into them. On the outside of the near cantel bag was strapped his canteen cover with canteen and cup. The boot for his rifle was hung on the near side beneath the skirt at an angle; the rifle was inserted muzzle first with the butt up and forward.
What I am saying is, we can't get correct khaki shirts right now, therefore we cannot be totally correct for some impressions at the moment. This will not be a problem in a couple of months. Right now it is. We are working on this impression, so we might have to do something that, we wouldn't really want to do. I have no interest in doing a 31st Infantry impression. I have been Infantry for real, so it holds no magic in my world. I am far more interested in "the rear echelon" troops. They are by far a more interesting story to show the public. I was just reading of troops from the Air Corps finding an abandoned Constabulary camp and getting some of those uniforms. Yeah, they were scrounging from all sources.
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Glad you liked it and thank you for putting it in the forum. I hope you liked the cavalry dvd also and thanks again for making copies for all that are worthy of them for education and historical needs.