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Post by legionnaire on Jan 15, 2008 0:18:51 GMT -5
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Post by indiosbravos on Jun 5, 2008 0:39:07 GMT -5
The Tropical Camouflage (helmet cover) Uniform was worn for a time in ETO in the summer of 44. It never last long because of the similarity with German Waffen SS dress. This leads to a number of fatal mistakes. More about WW II US Camouflage on this link: www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/en_00111.php"Although the U.S. jungle camouflage was developed for use in the Pacific Theatre, anecdotal evidence suggests that it also saw some use in Europe: there is a persistent story that a U.S. Army unit operating in Normandy came under 'friendly fire' because the camouflage they wore was mistaken for Waffen-SS camouflage uniforms. The pattern was also used during the Korean War". I stand corrected I meant to just say "Tropical Camouflage Uniform", with out helmet cover in parenthesis. Mea Culpa. Ref: Forty, George; U.S. Army Handbook 1939- 1945
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Post by VeeVee on Jun 5, 2008 6:26:06 GMT -5
I read that those weren't tropical helmet covers but made from the camouflaged parachute material. I can't remember where I came across it.
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Post by victoree on Jun 5, 2008 11:13:13 GMT -5
Units like the 507th and 5th Rangers wore parachute pieces for covers on thier helmets in Normandy.
The 2nd Armored Division units that wore the camoflauge HBTs, used helmet nets with scrim, for the most part. If they didn't have scrim, they had plain nets or just plain helmets.
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Post by kalbs on Jun 14, 2008 20:38:55 GMT -5
Specific Camoflage helmet covers were only made for used by the USMC and were never used in the ETO. Even marines aboard the ships at D-Day didn't wear the helmet cover. In the PTO Army Rangers also wore the USMC pattern helmet covers but they were the only Army unit to do so and only in a few instances.
As mentioned above some GI's did use the Camo para cloth as covers (Vic Morrow style) in the ETO but again this was done on a limited personel level. Although the Army did wear some Camo uniforms (Limited in ETO to units of 2nd Armor- 41st IR and Rangers) please note they were sewn in a different style and were not truly reversable like the Marine Camo HBT's.
It also must be noted that most gear was manufactured differently between the Army and USMC. Specific to the USMC were 3 patterns of canteen covers, Y-suspenders, pack system and leggings. In the Army pattern style, the USMC also produced their own BAR belts, M1 belts, pistol belts, m1928 packs, non-marked T-handle shovel covers and other smg pouches etc. The difference generally being the absense of the "US" stampings.
The USMC did wear some Army made gear too like suspenders and other stuff but for the most part they made their own. The USMC canteen covers for example never had the felt lining like the Army's and leggings were shorter for the marines.
Other things to note about the general look of a marine or PTO GI was they didn't often fix the helmet chin strap to the back of the helmet like the army did in the ETO. They just let it hang loose or wore it loosly below their chin. in the PTO pant legs were often worn outside of the leggings or without leggings at all.
If you do a PTO or Marine impression be aware of these minor details of gear and how it is worn.
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Post by kalbs on Jun 14, 2008 21:50:20 GMT -5
another great photoshop by one-zero. USMC impression with one-zero and me
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Post by VeeVee on Jun 15, 2008 1:52:33 GMT -5
Nice. Do you also have ones with the BAR "in action?"
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Post by kalbs on Jun 15, 2008 6:36:11 GMT -5
sort of an action shot...
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Post by milspec on Jun 17, 2008 21:44:58 GMT -5
Greetings One-Zero and Kalbs,
Wow! Another great WWII US Marine Corps photo shoot. The cigarette lighting image is awesome. Kalbs reminds me of the interpreter from the movie "Halls of Montezuma" because of the untucked helmet cover in the nape area.
milspec
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Post by OneZero on Jun 18, 2008 5:57:49 GMT -5
Thanks milspec! ...yep, i also remember that guy in "Halls of Montezuma"
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Post by kalbs on Jun 20, 2008 23:26:31 GMT -5
One more shot
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Post by indiosbravos on Jun 23, 2008 20:32:18 GMT -5
I really need to learn how to use Photoshop. Great job guys....
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Post by milspec on Jun 26, 2008 20:49:57 GMT -5
Greetings Gentlemen,
Another great pic. Great Job! I was inspired to dig out and watch "Halls of Montezuma" again. The character that reminds me of Kalbs was a Sgt. Johnson. He was only armed with a carbine. I noticed that some of the actors there are already gone. Richard Widmark just died recently. Jack Palance died a couple of years ago. I saw a very young Robert Wagner. Just loved the Sherman tanks and the Amtraks.
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Post by kalbs on Jun 29, 2008 23:34:28 GMT -5
One more sirs, This is us on a magazine cover:
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Post by VeeVee on Jun 30, 2008 23:27:46 GMT -5
Very nice. Really sweet. I might mess around with a magazine cover too using an old Infantry Journal design. We'll see.
I heard though that the correct WW2 way of holding the rifle is more of port arms. The pointing down stance was more of an M16 era.
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Post by kalbs on Jul 1, 2008 0:35:45 GMT -5
I heard though that the correct WW2 way of holding the rifle is more of port arms. The pointing down stance was more of an M16 era. You're kidding right? There was never an instance when a Marine pointed his M1 down?
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Post by VeeVee on Jul 1, 2008 5:55:08 GMT -5
Not saying they never did... but in pictures it's almost always in port arms if not firing. I never noticed until I heard about it.
I guess the more descriptive phrase is... "the more accurate WW2 portrayal of holding a rifle"
I didn't know myself until I heard many ww2 reenactors mention this. Then I noticed in pictures that there are more "port arms" carry than pointing down. The pointing down ones I've seen seem like shortly after having fired the rifle, not during movement.
Then looking at M16 era photos, pointing down seems the norm. Of course that silhouetted soldier in the Saving Private Ryan movie poster has his rifle pointing down.
Dunno... just passing on what I've heard.
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Post by victoree on Jul 1, 2008 9:25:13 GMT -5
We didn't carry our weapons, like they do now, in the 80's. We were a level or port.
Martin
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