victoree
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Post by victoree on Jul 5, 2008 14:46:43 GMT -5
I have ran across a couple of uniform makers, in the Philippines, making stuff like this. It is all good quality.
Manila was not made of nipa shacks. It was a major city with all kinds of industries. There are lots of tailor made items showing up in photos of white troops.
Martin
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Post by RayAdillO on Jul 19, 2008 8:47:03 GMT -5
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Post by legionnaire on Jul 19, 2008 19:42:31 GMT -5
Very smart and slim looking PA Liason Officer Ortega! You should have worn that at Fort Mac! Didn't the PA Class A wear white shirt and black tie? Is that a new class A khaki uniform you had made? Or is that the original of your Dad's? Philip
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Post by victoree on Jul 19, 2008 22:06:28 GMT -5
That looks pretty cool. I was out fighting Germans today. It was kind of sad not using my Philippines stuff. Martin
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Post by indiosbravos on Jul 21, 2008 18:13:24 GMT -5
Re: fighting germans
Looks like that will be my case in the future here for the time being....I went to a big war show....I saw only one Japanese soldier...and me, PS.....
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Post by RayAdillO on Jul 28, 2008 5:42:30 GMT -5
Thanks you all for liking the pics so far. I have new photos on the 1940 Philippine Army. Since I started posting P.A. impressions on this thread I might as well join them here together.... 1940 PHILIPPINE ARMY IMPRESSIONS: TYPE "A" ENLISTED DRESS UNIFORMI used to think pre-war Philippine Army enlistedmen under the U.S. commonwealth wore only either shorts and short sleeved shirts or blue denims. But apparently no, the photo below is NOT of a Constabulary unit. It is a picture of "citizen soldiers" marching, one of the many reservists units which made up the P.A. Close up of the Philippine guinit (coconut fiber) helmet for enlisted ranks. Soldiers at the time referred to it as the "cuspidor". The feature of having a built in pugaree instead of a cloth band gave it a unique "art deco" look typical of the 1930s. This one pictured below is a fiberglass repro as modeled by Philip "Legionnaire" Garcia. And now......my latest "artwork" ;D
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Post by VeeVee on Jul 28, 2008 7:26:07 GMT -5
I love it. Beautiful. Did you wear that for the USAFFE event this past weekend?
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Post by rickthelibrarian on Jul 28, 2008 8:27:53 GMT -5
No, kidding -- GREAT uniforms!! Hard to tell "what is real and what is Memorex" (for any of you who remember that TV commercial!)
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Post by 26th on Jul 28, 2008 11:45:34 GMT -5
Philip and Ray
What a handsome couple of PA's/ haha
Great job. How big is your closet?
Captain Rudy
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Post by mish on Jul 28, 2008 13:28:30 GMT -5
Ouch. Seeing puttees on Phil. troops just evokes a certain ooomph. G'leng.
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Post by mish on Jul 28, 2008 13:40:02 GMT -5
Note though how dysfunctional (given our historical lenses today) the 1930s-early 40s fighting man was: Full dress accoutrements mixed with "combat" elements.
Then again that was probably one of the hallmarks of this period - a crazy mix of form and function. One source I read related that the US in the 1930s actually intended to go to war with its enlisted mean wearing the dress coat over which was draped all the usual combat gear.
Weird, fascinating stuff.
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Post by mish on Jul 28, 2008 13:48:04 GMT -5
Question: What's a "pugaree" and how is it supposed to be art deco with regard to the guinit hat? Also, what's the etymology of "cuspidor?"
Thanks.
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Post by VeeVee on Jul 28, 2008 20:26:53 GMT -5
You'll have to wait for Ray to answer all that... I didn't even know there were such words
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Post by legionnaire on Jul 28, 2008 21:37:52 GMT -5
what's a pugaree?
The cloth fabric material wrapped around a hat or pith helmet. originated from Indian tuban styles.
In this case what the gunit has is only the blue (infantry) hat band and the "pugaree" is represented as molded embosse layered lines around the hat with dividing seams meeting on the top. it's design reminded of the art deco style of layered lines of that period. Why molded probably because of budget constraints and cheaper to mass produce with an added design on all the guinits needed for the Army
Philip
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Post by RayAdillO on Jul 29, 2008 3:23:09 GMT -5
Philip and Ray What a handsome couple of PA's/ haha Great job. How big is your closet? Captain Rudy Sheesh Rudy, you won't believe the large amount of photoshop editing I have to do just to make our mugshots presentable. All this junk is in this or that place.....no particular closetroom.
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Post by RayAdillO on Jul 29, 2008 4:02:22 GMT -5
Question: What's a "pugaree" and how is it supposed to be art deco with regard to the guinit hat? Also, what's the etymology of "cuspidor?" Thanks. Like all soldiers, Filipino troops also had a derogatory slang to affectionately refer to some pieces of uniform and equipment they were issued. It sort of reflects their love-hate relationship with army life in general. "Cuspidor" is Spanish for "spitoon" which is a basin or receptacle used for spitting out chewing tobacco. I'm not certain if it was by happenstance or design, but the lines of the helmet does evoke a certain feature of art deco and futurism which was emblematic in many of the weapons, pop culture, architecture and home appliances made at that time. FEU building, Manila Flash Gordon 1930s Electric bread toaster Thompson submachine gun
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Post by RayAdillO on Jul 30, 2008 0:01:28 GMT -5
I love it. Beautiful. Did you wear that for the USAFFE event this past weekend? Thanks Victor. Your dad's PS prints was a hit that night. Yes I wore the PA officers uniform but with the Pershing cap. The guys came in as P.S. officers with campaign hats. I didn't bring my camera but I do hope frank or someone else can post some pictures from that USAFFE event.
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Post by RayAdillO on Aug 4, 2008 8:04:41 GMT -5
This is interesting. Their Pershing caps were locally made? I guess that's a vouch for local craftsmanship? Or pre-war austerity? This opens up another question. As far as PS uniforms are concerned, would anyone have any information re: which items were made locally and which were not? Since the P.S. is a "regular" U.S. Army outfit, it gets its standard issue uniforms and other equipment directly from the U.S. Army and the Federal government. This means that it was less likely that they would have needed to procure such items locally. This is unlike the Constabulary or the P.A. which gets its payroll and equipment exclusively from what the Commonwealth government could provide or beg from the U.S. federal government, like it would a state militia or national guard unit, at least that was the arrangement until they belatedly formed the USAFFE command. Although the P.S. was regular U.S. army, the average Filipino P.S. soldier was paid considerably less than the average stateside G.I. However it is possible that enterprising P.S. officers and some of the more senior NCOs would have had "custom tailored" uniforms or regimental insignias and ornaments made locally as there were establishments in the Philippines which did make high quality uniforms and insignias of superior quality to the standard government issue. It would have been true particularly for cotton tropical khakis, the "white duck" uniform, and officers white "dinner jacket". The American soldier's pay had good purchasing power even during the depression years for G.I.s stationed in pre-WW2 Philippines, and they would normally supplement their normal number of issue khaki uniforms by having more made locally to make sure they always had a clean uniform ready for inspection or for "walking" into downtown. General MacArthur (who didn't like sweat stains) is said to have dozens of each type of uniform used in the tropics just to maintain his immaculate appearance.
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Post by VeeVee on Jan 10, 2009 14:24:28 GMT -5
Thanks you all for liking the pics so far. I have new photos on the 1940 Philippine Army. Since I started posting P.A. impressions on this thread I might as well join them here together.... 1940 PHILIPPINE ARMY IMPRESSIONS: TYPE "A" ENLISTED DRESS UNIFORMI used to think pre-war Philippine Army enlistedmen under the U.S. commonwealth wore only either shorts and short sleeved shirts or blue denims. But apparently no, the photo below is NOT of a Constabulary unit. It is a picture of "citizen soldiers" marching, one of the many reservists units which made up the P.A. Aha and look they were carrying Springfield 1903's, not just Enfields. Hey Ray, where are the other pictures? They expired.
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Post by RayAdillO on Jan 28, 2009 4:22:31 GMT -5
Yes Victor, the picture came with another snapshot of the soldier along with his honorable discharge papers. As you can see, he is wearing the usual PA shorts and is issued with a 1917 Enfield in this snapshot below. Apparently, this common laborer Mercurio Macoy was drafted to undergo his basic training as a reservist in Masbate. He seems to have been well liked by his C.O., but had a physical disability and was honorably discharged right before the Japanese invaded....lucky guy! Well maybe not so lucky as he had to pay 15 pesos and 75 centavos for the discharge which must be quite a considerable sum for a laborer in those days. It could be that since his C.O. was a Constabulary officer, the camp he trained in was primarily a PC camp which had a stock of M1903s in reserve for parades. Here's a closer look at the PA seal and letter head img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-11/1327576/scan0014a.jpg
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