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Post by milspec on Sept 26, 2006 21:06:13 GMT -5
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Post by VeeVee on Sept 27, 2006 6:22:53 GMT -5
Hi milspec, is this the one that used to be in Camp Aguinaldo?
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Post by legionnaire on Sept 27, 2006 9:47:46 GMT -5
My last visit in Manila I was able to visit this Museum, took lots of pics and next to the museum was the rmassive ehearsal for Army day and the Philippine Army were parading in full dress gear. SO I was able to take tons of pics. ;D
Philip
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Post by milspec on Sept 27, 2006 22:53:49 GMT -5
Greetings Gentlemen, Hi Victor, the PA museum I believe is still in Fort Bonifacio. Its just that they had to move it from the original location because of the bases conversion bill during the nineties. It is suppossed to be at the Military Retention Area(?). So, I guess it is in a new building near the Headquarters of the PA. Here are some pics an acquaintance took a couple of years ago. The quality of the pics is so-so,probably used an disposable camera. The pics look interesting, as matter of fact they look impressive considering its a military museum in the Philippines. The attempt to present historically significant events in diorama form is very commendable. Please share your opinions about this museum Revolutionistas Looks like Commonwealth era. milspec
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Post by milspec on Sept 27, 2006 23:04:55 GMT -5
Here a couple of more pics from the PA museum. Looks like scenes from Bataan 1942. There's an observation post. 81mm mortar and crew and what looks like an Browning M1917A1 machine gun team. Philippine scout with an M1 Thompson(?) and an American liberator armed with an M1 Thompson SMG. Another American GI with British web gear(?) and a Filipino soldier WWII(?) Note all those M1923 Cartridge belts and M1917A1 helmets. There must still be a lot in the Philippines. milspec
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Post by milspec on Sept 27, 2006 23:11:32 GMT -5
Some more pics. Looks like this soldier is throwing a grenade. The other one looks like he's dressed up for service in Korea. Modern PA Uniforms and equipment. milspec
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Post by milspec on Sept 27, 2006 23:16:14 GMT -5
Outdoor Armor and Artillery Display Scorpion, IVF (Infantry Fighting Vehicle), Samaritan. V-150, WWII 105mm Pack Howitzer, Italian Oto Milara 105mm Pack Howitzer. milspec
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Post by RayAdillO on Sept 27, 2006 23:46:15 GMT -5
Save for a few minor details, these mannequined displays are reasonably good quality stuff. The uniforms are not too far off, the mannequins of "Filipino" asiatic types themselves are comparable to those a the imperial war museum in London.
Is this "new" site the one they call the "old" Staff House at Fort Bonifacio where a "museum" used to be back in the late 1980s and early 90s ?... the one which has an extensive "tunnel" network underneath which goes all the way to Nichols AFB built by the Americans and later used by the Japanese in WW2?
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Post by VeeVee on Sept 28, 2006 6:09:56 GMT -5
I didn't know about this museum. Thanks for sharing the pictures. It will definitely be on my list to visit next time I go home. Then I'll take better quality photographs
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Post by legionnaire on Sept 28, 2006 11:01:36 GMT -5
Fort Bonifacio, Makati, March 8, 2001 PA Division emblems Philippine Army Day Rehearsal, March 8, 2001, Thursday PA Officer with Guinit hat commonwealth period. PA's Katipunero band and Honor Guard Bataan diorama if you compare this photo I took to the brochure pics milspec posted, there are no more Garand belts on the manequins anymore. Philip
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Post by VeeVee on Sept 28, 2006 16:29:54 GMT -5
...and they used to have long pants! Some bored dude is playing Barbie with these mannequins
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Post by milspec on Sept 29, 2006 10:35:54 GMT -5
Greetings Gentlemen,
You know you guys are right! The mannequins did get a wardrobe change. I also see that the telephone guy lost his overseas cap and was ordered to put his helmet on but they all lost their chin straps for their M1917A1 helmets. I guess the chin straps went the way of the M1923 cartridge belts. The stainless steel mess hall trays beside the M.G. crew are also gone. Thanks for posting your pics Philip they're much better quality.
The tunnel network was at the old site. I had the chance to go down there when they first opened it to the public however I don't know what the fate of the tunnels are now with the development that went on in Fort Bonifacio. According to the brochure the old "original" building was demolished and they used some of the original lumber to construct the new and improved PA museum.
milspec
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Post by RayAdillO on Oct 3, 2006 3:58:27 GMT -5
Greetings Gentlemen, The tunnel network was at the old site. I had the chance to go down there when they first opened it to the public however I don't know what the fate of the tunnels are now with the development that went on in Fort Bonifacio. According to the brochure the old "original" building was demolished and they used some of the original lumber to construct the new and improved PA museum. These developers are not thinking of the future. The preservation of structures such as these should have been regarded as a plus factor in the communities they are buliding. milspec According to the brochure, that old staff house was THE actual headquarters of the Philippine Division P.S. and the Philippine Department. MY GOD! So in essence, we once had an ORIGINAL building used by the Philippine Scouts as their Headquarters; a structure which has survived the Japanese invasion and Liberation during WW2 plus all these years of relative neglect only to succumb to the wreaking crews of greedy businessmen? That's really just so horrible, but I'm not surprised. I'd hate to think what they might have done to those tunnels. They should have at least reconstructed the old staff house using the same plan. They already used the same materials and could simply replace some of the unusable or rotten original wood unto the new site. One would think that with the all that money they made out of selling all those lands in camp Bonifacio, the could have spared a little bit for the "authenticity" of the museum building itself.
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Post by milspec on Oct 3, 2006 12:02:35 GMT -5
Greetings Rayadillo,
Yes that was the original building dating back to the 1920's when Fort Bonifacio was still know as Fort McKinley. Preserving history in the Philippines particularly military history is a great challenge. Most of what I've observed were mediocre attempts to present available items mostly weapons, equipment and donated items in a haphazard manner with hardly any thought put into it. I don't know if its true but I think that being assigned to a military museum is mostly considered a dead end with regards to a militay career. I think that there is no continuity of stewardship which is why museums seem to change with the changing C.O. Only some one who truly appreciates military history and has the desire to do something about it will be able to make something out of those odds and ends to come up with a meaning full interpretation of the past. The AFP museum was one museum which I think is in the right direction however after seeing the PA museum pictures I think who ever is running that museum is doing a very commendable job in presenting that services' history.
milspec
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Post by Randele Arcilla on Jan 4, 2008 7:42:25 GMT -5
The Defendres of the Filipino Soldiers and Guerillas during the Battle of Tanay in March 1945
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Post by VeeVee on Apr 10, 2008 6:25:26 GMT -5
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Post by mish on Jul 3, 2008 11:38:55 GMT -5
I was never aware the Army had a museum in Fort Bonifacio. I live in the Makati area and visiting it won't be too much of a hassle. I'll probably visit within the next few days.
I really hope some of the errors have been corrected by now: eg: British '37 pattern webbing on one of the soldier mannequins?!?!
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Post by VeeVee on Jul 4, 2008 7:48:08 GMT -5
I stopped by there in December, but it turned out that it was that one day it was closed for the AFP Christmas party. Please post updated pictures if they still allow photos inside. Thanks.
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Post by mish on Jul 4, 2008 12:46:09 GMT -5
I'll try to make the visit as productive and informative as possible, VeeVee. I'll post whatever comes out of it.
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Post by Walter Anderson on Sept 6, 2009 23:06:53 GMT -5
i am looking for information concerning interns at santo thomas prison camp during wwII in the philipines islands I need to find a list of internees.
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