manang
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Post by manang on Aug 31, 2012 18:27:00 GMT -5
I've been writing about the 12th Med Rgt, so I'd like to ask. I'm a former Army Field Medic/Hospital Corpsman & EMT-2, so I would like to ask the group here is if anyone knows how the medics in Pre-War Philippines carried their medical supplies to the field?
I know that there are field medical pouches for medics to use during the invasion at Normandy, but as for the Medics during the Invasion, what did they use to carry their medical supplies to aid the injured?
Thanks.
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Post by 26th on Aug 31, 2012 20:34:47 GMT -5
Manang
If I hear you right, you want to do a pre WW2 nurse on Bataan.
Not sure if same as a field medic. Second you should inquire in WW@ European forum for Normandy. Most info on this sight Philippine period.
Good luck
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Post by VeeVee on Aug 31, 2012 22:09:18 GMT -5
Would this help?  |
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Post by manang on Aug 31, 2012 23:05:07 GMT -5
And why not? I know that the re-enactors try to bring out the history of the unit by dressinig, and wearing the same period clothing, to include the fields being populated by males. But "What if" women were in the pre-war PS, and American Army of the 1930's? What if the women like their counterparts of today were medics assigned to line units like they are today? Or "What If" nurses were assigned to Battalion Aid Stations, Field Hospitals, or.... OMG they're in charge of Infantry companies?
That's why I think that the field of re-enacting or simulation is fun, seeing what would have been if things were progressive....
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Post by VeeVee on Sept 1, 2012 7:40:51 GMT -5
I think it just has to fit the type of event. Like if it's there's a private tactical "simulation" to recreate battles... playing with scenarios and what ifs with other reenactors (or airsoft players), then by all means.
If it's a public display, living history where the goal is to educate the public, and represent the actual history -- then it's preferable that participants lean toward historical accuracy.
In the end, whether you're playing a PS corpsman or a nurse, they all pretty much wore the same things in Bataan anyway. Whatever serviceable field gear and uniform that was available was used.
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Post by labrador on Sept 1, 2012 9:49:17 GMT -5
Cool. I never ever noticed that armband. thanks for pointing it out.
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Post by manang on Sept 1, 2012 23:21:53 GMT -5
I think that is where re-enactors fail, if the require that everthing be as accurate as possible; then they risk the fate of an organization to fold, for lack of adequate members to enter, that goes for the exclusion of women into this group.
I'm not saying that women should always be included, but if they are available, and can give a better portrayal and have a intense desire to be a reenactor of the PS, then why not? Even though many in the PS reenactor groups in the Philippines may say that it should be men, and not women; because there were no women around then this is absurd. I'd like to quote a saying by General Reyolds.....
“The Philippine Scout Heritage Society was formed to preserve their distinguished history. Unless the sons, daughters, grandchildren, friends and associates take a positive and active role as members of the Philippine Scouts Heritage Society, the heroic legacy of these elite Filipinos will die. As an old soldier waiting for final roll call, I urge you to remember this.” General Reynolds, 2003.
That is all I"m going to say.....
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Post by VeeVee on Sept 2, 2012 0:19:37 GMT -5
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Post by manang on Sept 2, 2012 11:45:40 GMT -5
Yes and thank you for reminding me. I was only responding to the comment made by someone on this thread, but when that came out, I thought I'd like to respond with my own wicked sense of humor.... Oh, don't get me wrong; I think simulations/reenactors are great....
Now as to the bags that pre-war medics used in the field, that was my general question. And thank you once again for answering my question on this..
Now you're probably thinking that I am some crazy old woman, well I'm not that crazy or unbending. So can we all get down to the business at hand, Re-enacting and Airsoft....
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Post by manang on Sept 2, 2012 11:53:31 GMT -5
Oh, the gender thing.... Well I get that from reading the unit requirements for a lot of re-enactors have; such as the Airborne, Rangers, and general WWII in general. From their websites, they will state that they follow the TM's (Technical Manuals), and regulations of WWII, and the unit they are re-enacting. So to a lot of women such as I, trying to portray a Ranger or Airborne person in a lot of their Airsoft WWII wars is generallly looked down, or sometimes you are told you can't play, because there were not Female Airborne or Rangers.
So what I'm implying is that I'm only going by what I've read, so the logical thing would be this... Would my gender be accepted in the general PS re-enacting shows? Since women were not Scouts such as being an NCO in one of the Infantry Units, or even a general officer; i.e. Major, LTC, Col, or Brigadier General?
I do have some reservations about not seeing females in the forefront of the group. Are there any Pinay NCO's dressed in the period uniform? Are there Pinay Lt's, Captains, or General Officers dressed in full kit, standing proudly in front of the entire group?
So you see, there is a reason why I asked about Pinays or women in general....I'm only asking, and not being born in Pinas, I can only go by what I see, and read....
Manang
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Post by labrador on Sept 2, 2012 18:01:38 GMT -5
Regarding the Medic field equipment for the 1941 period, i have asked one of our local collectors yesterday on the subject of Medic gear for that period. He told me that for light duty a large rectangular shoulder bag in the usual khaki canvas was worn (he didn't tell me the designation) 2 for heavier duty. He promised to send me photos and more material on the medic gear. Hope to receive it soon.
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Post by manang on Sept 2, 2012 21:29:18 GMT -5
I wonder if those two bags are the ones that the ETO Medics wore with a medic yoke. The bags are identical; except for the inserts that are separate. The other bag could be another bag that they carry more stuff. If you go to "www.wwiiimpressions.com" you can see the bags; under Field Gear.
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Post by manang on Sept 2, 2012 21:37:57 GMT -5
Hiya Vee Vee, thanks for pointing me to that book. Which brings me to an interesting point of view, and that is of the Airsofter or even Reenactor who says to someone asking why are they wearing all of that high speed low drag military gear. And they always seem to say.... "Well its what they issued the soldiers at "X" war. Well that's fine and good. In fact, if you ask a lot of soldiers, they'll tell you much of that stuff is left behind, or thrown back into the supply system because even though its issued, doesn't mean it works for their particular case. In fact Army regulations even though they will tell you that you have to carry this and that, it doesn't work like that in the field.
Which is the same of reenactors. Many will argue that you have to have the original piece of equipment, or else what you're doing is not in the true spirit. But is it? What is the difference between real, and copy reproduction. Unless that audience member can tell you the correct NSN (National Stock Number), or the correct pattern weave for the uniform your wearing, or that that helmet you're wearing has to match a certain Army stock number; then that piece of reproduction is good enough for what you're doing..
Yes I shall buy that book, I"m now interested to read what she has to say, from a womans point of view.....
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Post by 26th on Sept 3, 2012 0:12:31 GMT -5
Victor:
I see a new combat medal coming out called "Patience Beyond The Call of Duty".
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Post by labrador on Sept 3, 2012 1:16:27 GMT -5
Manang, its an excellent book. Pulls no punches. Shows the good, bad and ugly. All of which i've seen.
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Post by manang on Sept 3, 2012 20:54:09 GMT -5
I have another question. The United States Army has always required their military members wear the letters "U.S." on the lapel. For officers it would be on the collars as cut-out letters, and for the enlisted cut-out letters on a brass disk.
For members of the PS who were officers, did they wear a collar device with the letters "U.S", or did they wear something else?
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Post by VeeVee on Sept 4, 2012 21:16:03 GMT -5
Oh, the gender thing.... Well I get that from reading the unit requirements for a lot of re-enactors have; such as the Airborne, Rangers, and general WWII in general. From their websites, they will state that they follow the TM's (Technical Manuals), and regulations of WWII, and the unit they are re-enacting. So to a lot of women such as I, trying to portray a Ranger or Airborne person in a lot of their Airsoft WWII wars is generallly looked down, or sometimes you are told you can't play, because there were not Female Airborne or Rangers. So what I'm implying is that I'm only going by what I've read, so the logical thing would be this... Would my gender be accepted in the general PS re-enacting shows? Since women were not Scouts such as being an NCO in one of the Infantry Units, or even a general officer; i.e. Major, LTC, Col, or Brigadier General? I do have some reservations about not seeing females in the forefront of the group. Are there any Pinay NCO's dressed in the period uniform? Are there Pinay Lt's, Captains, or General Officers dressed in full kit, standing proudly in front of the entire group? So you see, there is a reason why I asked about Pinays or women in general....I'm only asking, and not being born in Pinas, I can only go by what I see, and read.... Manang By the nature of the hobby, there are more men than women interested in the combat reenactment. Same with airsoft. It's just the way it is. If you don't see many pictures of women... it's because there are way fewer women who engage in this activity. And what women there are, they portray actual historical women roles. Airsoft gaming on the other hand is more forgiving since it's more focused on skirmish play rather than the historical aspect, unless it's an actual reenactment but substituting real weapons with airsoft guns. If you want to see women though.... here they are:      |
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Post by manang on Sept 5, 2012 3:07:22 GMT -5
Finally. Now that is what I was looking for, not an all-male picture fest. I was beginning to think that only seeing males in a lot of the pictures, except for one or two pictures that the PS unit was just not open to women.... great. Now I can keep quiet
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Post by legionnaire on Sept 5, 2012 4:53:02 GMT -5
if you want to do WWII Philippine period then nurses in hospital or in the field were their most common roles.
"Angels of Bataan" They were the unsung heroines that are forgotten and needs to be remembered, represented and educated to the public for their sacrifices.
If its combat role then there was a Filipina as a guerrilla fighter.
Or you can do the Russian soldier or pilot in WWII for reenactment as they used women for combat!
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Post by manang on Sept 5, 2012 12:06:04 GMT -5
I just got done playing Russian SPETZAZ (Airsoft), so I'll stick with something a little bit more refined - LOL... I've decided to do my Aunt who was in WWII as a nurse, probably 2nd or 1st lieutenant. She may or may not have been in Bataan/Corregidor; but may have been one of the nurses captured and sent to Santo Tomas. She did survive and went through the post-war years finally retiring as a Brigadier General of the Philippine Nursing Corps...
So I think, she would have been proud to see her niece portraying the Philippine nurses...
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