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Post by insurrectomad on Oct 21, 2011 23:13:39 GMT -5
I need Help And Information Guys on how a Sun screening neck cloth draping for the back of a WW2 officers cap was attached. I sure Alec Guiness wore one if the film "Bridge over the River Kwai" and some were shown on a film depicting the War in N. Africa. As I will have to pay someone to make the cloth piece for me, I need to know how it is attached to the rear of the general service officers cap. I have now an Officers cap (copy) and original Sam Brown belt with small holster (Baretta size ?) and Brit. pattern gas bag from India. I have put a Royal Ordnance Corps bagde on the cap as I believe some British officers escorting some Bren-gun carriers, either en-route to Hong Kong or Australia Were trapped in Manila. That could give me reason to be attached to the Pampanga Artillery. Hoping some has the answer. Cheers David
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Post by legionnaire on Oct 21, 2011 23:29:29 GMT -5
The British High command in Singapore from photos I have seen did not have them. Maybe only the Japanese infantry use this. Not like in North Africa's desert heat. Specially if it's a British Liason officer in the Philippines being a representative, this would not be part of military regulation. Hope this helps.
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Post by 79thfoot on Nov 22, 2011 16:00:03 GMT -5
I think they might be called 'havelock's: www.thefreedictionary.com/havelockThe use of the havelock began sometime in the mid 1800's toward the Indian Mutiny/Crimean War period and spread across the Atlantic to be used - at least in the early part - by American volunteer troops during the Civil War. The French Foreign Legion famously continues wearing them. In WW2, the Japanese forces would often suppliment their 'baseball cap' headgear by adding havelocks either permanently stitched on, or attached through a string and grommet setup. The German Ramcke Fallschirmjager (paratroop) Brigade in North Africa also wore havelocks as part of their 'Hermann Meyer' cap (the name itself mocks Reichsmarschal Goering's remark that 'if British bombs ever fall on Berlin you can call me Meyer'). Alec Guiness's LtCol. Nicholson wears what seems to be a regular British officer's cap with the additional field modification/addition of a havelock from scrap khaki cloth. As far as I know this was strictly non-reg as I have not seen it worn anywhere else in the Far East or Middle East. |
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Post by 79thfoot on Nov 22, 2011 16:04:41 GMT -5
The Bren Carriers that got stuck in Manila and eventually ended up with the 26th PS Cavalry were, IIRC, meant for the Winnipeg Grenadiers. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hong_Kong"In Autumn 1941, the British government accepted an offer by the Canadian Government to send two infantry battalions and a brigade headquarters (1,975 personnel) to reinforce the Hong Kong garrison. C Force, as it was known, arrived on 16 November on board the troopship Awatea and the armed merchant cruiser Prince Robert.[3] It did not have all of its equipment as a ship carrying its vehicles was diverted to Manila at the outbreak of war." There is, however, no reason to think that some British officers, whether embassy liaison or attached to the Canadian bren carriers wouldn't have been stuck in Manila and would not have had opportunity to fight it out alongside the Yanks and Pinoys =) I'm excited to see your British officer impression! Best wishes, Tom |
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Post by insurrectomad on Nov 24, 2011 19:56:36 GMT -5
Well I've gone and got a "Havelock" made with some khaki cloth and it is attached by 'hooks and eyes" I have seen photos of british soldiers wearing them in WW1, so playing an old warrior, who would have had WW1 experince, i could have just ket it all those years, or just took it from a Jap prisoner, ha Ha!
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