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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 0:05:13 GMT -5
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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 0:27:49 GMT -5
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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 0:29:52 GMT -5
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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 0:32:02 GMT -5
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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 0:37:31 GMT -5
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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 0:41:18 GMT -5
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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 0:53:11 GMT -5
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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 1:19:18 GMT -5
 Here are some similar costumes and fashion from Mexico in the same time period. It's from the Mexican Telenovela Amor Real. |
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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 1:41:59 GMT -5
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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 2:08:06 GMT -5
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Post by RayAdillO on Apr 19, 2009 3:38:49 GMT -5
Oh man, it's a pity that they still haven't gotten it quite right. Look at that those horrible epaulettes!... look at that modern helmet liner they just made to look like a spiked sun helmet! Look at those modern police officer's peaked caps, AND EVEN THE SLEEVES OF UNIFORMS HAVE STRIPES?...yeeech! It wouldn't have been so much more expensive for the costume department to have just properly researched these things. However, GMA productions does have an advantage in costumes since they've already had some "period" clothes made for the movie "Jose Rizal". "Baler" which was made by VIVA films is also a subsidiary of GMA. If it's a fictitious costume drama they are making, it will make sense to just re-use their old costumes and sets, nevermind if they mix early-mid and late 19th cnetury Philippine and Mexican styles. But personally I would prefer something like those Charles D..kens and Jane Austen dramatizations by the BBC and/or the Exxon Mobile Theater. If it were to be the 1830s to 1850, they should show some more of that urban squalor along the slums and city streets and contrast that with the regal splendor of the wealthier classes. Here are some Philippine costumes of the 1850s: A couple of the principalia class, horseback riding  The Philippine Zorro shouldn't be wearing a felt sombrero like his mexican counterpart, instead he should be wearing a salakot like the figure at right.  Another illustration of a typical philippine couple  Typical Philippine military official. This one is a self-portrait of Damian Domingo who made many colorful illustrations of local filipino folk during his service in the Philippines during the period.  Typical street scenes  Close up of a lancer. Zorro's main enemies were supposed to be lancers, but note that the Philippine version wears the polish style "uhlanka" headgear instead of of the mexican sombrero.  A similar sample of headgear used by german uhlans  |
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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 16:33:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the expert commentary. That is what I was looking for. I was drawn to these shows because, well i'm a history buff. I do enjoy a good story to watch and could care less about the stars. I do love watching the beautiful girls there.   If my Tagalog and Spanish are correct, the Philippine Zorro is wearing what the 'California' Zorro is wearing because he inherited it from his uncle, the Zorro in the recent movies.......Instead of the salakot pictured on the right. Since The Philippines was administered through New Spain (Mexico), I'm surprised there has not been an exchange in fashion. There probably should be filipinos, Mestizos and Criollos wearing Sombrero Charros and Mexican blanket Sarapes. And in Mexico, There should be Mexicans wearing the Salakots. |
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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 17:11:22 GMT -5
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Post by ibarramedia on May 23, 2009 13:01:07 GMT -5
Oh man, it's a pity that they still haven't gotten it quite right. Look at that those horrible epaulettes!... look at that modern helmet liner they just made to look like a spiked sun helmet! Look at those modern police officer's peaked caps, AND EVEN THE SLEEVES OF UNIFORMS HAVE STRIPES?...yeeech! It wouldn't have been so much more expensive for the costume department to have just properly researched these things. However, GMA productions does have an advantage in costumes since they've already had some "period" clothes made for the movie "Jose Rizal". "Baler" which was made by VIVA films is also a subsidiary of GMA. If it's a fictitious costume drama they are making, it will make sense to just re-use their old costumes and sets, nevermind if they mix early-mid and late 19th cnetury Philippine and Mexican styles. But personally I would prefer something like those Charles D..kens and Jane Austen dramatizations by the BBC and/or the Exxon Mobile Theater. If it were to be the 1830s to 1850, they should show some more of that urban squalor along the slums and city streets and contrast that with the regal splendor of the wealthier classes. Here are some Philippine costumes of the 1850s: A couple of the principalia class, horseback riding The Philippine Zorro shouldn't be wearing a felt sombrero like his mexican counterpart, instead he should be wearing a salakot like the figure at right. Another illustration of a typical philippine couple Typical Philippine military official. This one is a self-portrait of Damian Domingo who made many colorful illustrations of local filipino folk during his service in the Philippines during the period. Typical street scenes Close up of a lancer. Zorro's main enemies were supposed to be lancers, but note that the Philippine version wears the polish style "uhlanka" headgear instead of of the mexican sombrero. A similar sample of headgear used by german uhlans  Is this the lancer that you speak of? |
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Post by ibarramedia on May 23, 2009 13:03:15 GMT -5
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Post by 79thfoot on May 27, 2009 9:13:49 GMT -5
OMG that's utterly HORRIBLE. WTF!!!
There's just so much wrongness about it I don't know where to start.
Did they establish a time period for it? If it's just general fantasy WELL that's forgivable - I guess. But man those are horrific costumes. They look more like these anime wannabees at the conventions.
The officer hats are obviously remade Pershing caps with some sort of weird badge on them. I don't think they would have worn Pershings (well, Pershing hadn't been born yet) but at the least they could have removed the bloody stiffener and let it FLOP like a campaign hat should. As it is they all look like someone bought a bunch of SIKYU (Security Guard uniforms) and added red trim to them. There are no chevrons, no sardinetas, the hats look like Philippine army helmets with spikes stuck to them (why didn't they just get guinit caps?) or pith helmets (ie. guinit helmets painted white if you don't want to get Zulu war stuff). The epaulets look embarrassingly horrible and as far as I know they didn't use epaulets unless they were in full dress and they were like the governor general or colonel or something - if this is Rizal era epaulets are going out of fashion and being replaced by sleeve insignia. They don't seem to be wearing undershirts which kinda looks weird too - won't all that wool chafe on the neck?
Local lancers would probably have bamboo lances and forego any helmets in favor of straw hats or kepis. That one character seems to be wearing a double breasted type of coat but it looks really scanty on buttons. Wouldn't he have done better wearing some sort of plastron?
Most of the civilian blokes look like they took their costumes from the ukay-ukay, all except the guy in white with a proper coat and tails. Everyone else is in Americana and they button it up too - making it look really ukay-ukay-ish.
I guess it's really just a fantasy but you'd think they'd have put at least some effort to research it and put it within a particular time period. Even Pirates of the Caribbean's costuming was - for the RN/East India Trading Company pretty well grounded in history despite fantasy elements.
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Post by ibarramedia on Jun 9, 2009 18:28:04 GMT -5
OMG that's utterly HORRIBLE. WTF!!! There's just so much wrongness about it I don't know where to start. Did they establish a time period for it? If it's just general fantasy WELL that's forgivable - I guess. But man those are horrific costumes. They look more like these anime wannabees at the conventions. The officer hats are obviously remade Pershing caps with some sort of weird badge on them. I don't think they would have worn Pershings (well, Pershing hadn't been born yet) but at the least they could have removed the bloody stiffener and let it FLOP like a campaign hat should. As it is they all look like someone bought a bunch of SIKYU (Security Guard uniforms) and added red trim to them. There are no chevrons, no sardinetas, the hats look like Philippine army helmets with spikes stuck to them (why didn't they just get guinit caps?) or pith helmets (ie. guinit helmets painted white if you don't want to get Zulu war stuff). The epaulets look embarrassingly horrible and as far as I know they didn't use epaulets unless they were in full dress and they were like the governor general or colonel or something - if this is Rizal era epaulets are going out of fashion and being replaced by sleeve insignia. They don't seem to be wearing undershirts which kinda looks weird too - won't all that wool chafe on the neck? Local lancers would probably have bamboo lances and forego any helmets in favor of straw hats or kepis. That one character seems to be wearing a double breasted type of coat but it looks really scanty on buttons. Wouldn't he have done better wearing some sort of plastron? Most of the civilian blokes look like they took their costumes from the ukay-ukay, all except the guy in white with a proper coat and tails. Everyone else is in Americana and they button it up too - making it look really ukay-ukay-ish. I guess it's really just a fantasy but you'd think they'd have put at least some effort to research it and put it within a particular time period. Even Pirates of the Caribbean's costuming was - for the RN/East India Trading Company pretty well grounded in history despite fantasy elements. It is supposedly set in the 1840's colonial Philippines. The female costumes seem better than the military ones too. Something about their military uniform disturbed me because it seemed very inaccurate so I posted it here to get feedback from the experts. The guys do wear undershirts. A few episodes showed that. I just check it out online in the morning...... that is also the reason I posted the Mexican Telenovela costumes so that they could be compared. My thing is i'm wondering if they shared the same fashion at some point in history. It is plausible to explore this as the Philippines were under the administration of New Spain until 1810 when Mexico gained its independence. Mexico also has periods of hot weather, though it gets colder than the Philippines does during Winter. Perhaps the production company should have consulted with you guys regarding the period stuff. |
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Post by RayAdillO on Jun 12, 2009 1:15:41 GMT -5
My logic was that since they were going to spend on making the costumes anyway, they might as well have done some more research. All these illustrations are readily available in Filipiniana books and in the internet and doesn't take much to sort them out, had they just bothered to look.
Secondly, it would help make it easier to make 1840-50s Philippine teledramas if they already had the right period costumes available from this earlier project. Few of these costumes can be used in any future prodcution with a serious take on authenticity.
As far the ladies costumes were concerned, they look more like those worn in the American Civil War (1860s), and the way they're made up is like they would be more at home at a Paris brothel.
As you can see from the illustrations, Philippine society was relatively much more conservative in the manner of ladies dress than in Mexico. All of them have shawls worn night and day, even if it's the lightweight "see-through" variety.
The Philippine men's trousers for gentelmen and peasants alike are more like Bombay "bloomers", very loosely cut for comfort in the tropics.
The Chinese in Manila wore sleevless shirts and turbans, not the Fu Manchu character as featured.
And yes, about the lancer? This is the type that would have been much nicer. It's basically the type of uniform used by British lancers in "The Charge of the Light Brigade" at Balaclava. With the way it is now, the costume of the military in this zorro telenovela can't really be used anywhere else except maybe in another fictitious "Prisoner of Zenda" type sword play.
Still, the fact that they "Filipinized" Zorro is a welcome treat, and one must commend them for their efforts. ;D
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Post by 79thfoot on Jun 12, 2009 21:01:34 GMT -5
Well if that's the case, that this is set circa 1840 that makes it even worse. So much worse.
Colonial fashion's rule of thumb is they tend to follow the trends in the mother country more slowl - particularly for a backwater like the Philippines. Circa 1840 the steam engine - and steam ship - would just be coming into use so Mother Spain and the rest of Europe would still be VERY distant from the Philippines.
If the costume designers here actually CARED to think about it they would have researched a) colonial mexican costumes of the time since Mexico still mediated between Spain and the Philippines just prior to this (the Mexicans would have been rising in revolt around this time - hence the Zorro story - but again fashion would change slowly) and, for uniforms researched b) Spanish NAPOLEONIC WARS UNIFORMS.
I would expect that the colonial folks would be dressed in a Spanish 'Regency era' style not in the typical - or should I say stereotypical - 'Spanish period dress'. Uniforms would DEFINITELY still be shakos or straw hats - the pershing 'pulis' type hats and pith helmets would not come into fashion for at least 20 years - the pershing cap itself would have to be modified A LOT to approximate the earlier soft caps similar to kepis.
Ironically all those people had to do would be to remove the top of the Pershing cap, roll a felt cylinder around it, put a brass plate - if they're really cheap, a security guard plate would probably suffice - and a tuft of colored wool and there you have it: a shako!
Field grade and higher Officers would have still worn the Bicorne fore and aft or the campaign headgear of their particular unit for lower ranking officers.
The cut of both military and civilian coats would be still closer to Napoleonic/regency fashion. Ironically their big chance to do a Jane Austen type costume drama and they blew it because they don't know what the heck they're doing. Waistcoats, long tails, top hats. Totally agreed, the women's fashions look like they're coming out of a brothel.
Well, I'm not surprised. Costume / Uniform work in this country is almost uniformly horrible (pun intended) with VERY few exceptions. People just go for the moro-moro fantasy look over what's historical.
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