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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 2:49:14 GMT -5
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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 19, 2009 17:27:36 GMT -5
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Post by RayAdillO on Apr 22, 2009 21:09:59 GMT -5
[/img][/url] [/quote] This is an interesting take on the movie, but I don't think the Americans had any direct influence in the negotiations. The Spanish force surrendered to a Filipino authority, not to an American one. In the minds of the Spanish officers in Baler, the Span-Am War was sill very much on. They knew nothing about the Battle for Manila Bay or and other U.S. victories, nor would they believe it even when told by their own people. These things just didn't count. The Americans did try to rescue the Spanish by sending a force of Marines under a Lieutenant Gilmore, but this force was ambushed and captured by Filipino forces. What makes this sige important was that the last Spanish military force still holding out in the Philippines surrendered to native Filipinos. I don't know how many Filipino victories are like this.... holding a siege upon an enemy postion, sustaining it for a year, fending off and even capturing a relief force, ending with the enemy's surrender. As it turned out The Filipinos and the Spaniards could both be happy with this story. The Spaniards get to keep some of their dignity and honor in a luckless war. The Filipinos were able to show that they are a modern civilized national force capable of being generous and compassionate victors who observe the geneva convention, (what they called "La Ginebra").
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Post by ibarramedia on Apr 24, 2009 1:24:27 GMT -5
The Third Geneva Convention of 1949 one of the Geneva Conventions, is a treaty agreement that primarily concerns the treatment of prisoners of war (POWs). Since the Spaniards surrendered and the war was over, they were given respect and full military honors when they left the church. They were never prisoners of war.
The first Geneva convention of 1864 dealt with the treatment and care of the wounded and prisoners of war. The second Geneva Convention added the care of shipwrecked sailors what the first dealt with. The Fourth Geneva Convention relates to the protection of civilians during times of war under military occupation by a foreign power.
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Post by RayAdillO on Apr 24, 2009 4:41:51 GMT -5
The Third Geneva Convention of 1949 one of the Geneva Conventions, is a treaty agreement that primarily concerns the treatment of prisoners of war (POWs). Since the Spaniards surrendered and the war was over, they were given respect and full military honors when they left the church. They were never prisoners of war. The first Geneva convention of 1864 dealt with the treatment and care of the wounded and prisoners of war. The second Geneva Convention added the care of shipwrecked sailors what the first dealt with. The Fourth Geneva Convention relates to the protection of civilians during times of war under military occupation by a foreign power. Thank you for your inputs Ibarramedia. Actually, I'm not really sure what the status of the 1st Philippine Republic and it's military forces were. It never got recognition as a nation state, nor were Filipino representatives signatories, so there would be a question such as would Filipino forces constitute a legal entity where the rules of international conventions be binding upon them? As far as the Spanish were concerned, their war with the U.S. was over, but techincally, the "war" between Spaniards and Filipinos had no clear definiton. When the Spanish government sold the Philippines to the U.S., that only explained why they should vacate the place and why they should surrender to the Americans. But then again, it was Filipino forces which beleguered them, and not American ones. A state of war or peace perhaps literally was within the discretion of the Spanish commander when it comes to those who were surrounding his little force.
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