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Post by alden405 on Oct 21, 2009 18:35:10 GMT -5
If the 1910 bottle is fixed to the top row of eyelets on a pistol belt opposite the holster it sits OK This was related to me by a post war cavalry man that served in the Constabulary forces in Germany as worn here
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Post by alden405 on Oct 21, 2009 18:41:08 GMT -5
He is also just using a web belt only. No ammo belt. Also only snaffle bit on. Its a nice shot though. I will be trying to do this next year on a borrowed horse. Rudy Well spotted,Rudy He is from the singal/wire section of HQ Troop,he would have had a pistol,bolo and wire cutters (no rifle) The 112th received barely broken Australian horses so double reins was kinda tricky with the unfit horses. Note the stirrup with leather socket to hold the pogo radio carrier also repair to knee of breetches
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Post by 26th on Oct 21, 2009 19:32:36 GMT -5
Hey Vic
You also if remember have to change your medical bandage pouch
Alden
The leather socket since he was headquaters can be used for the guidons and flags. Never heard of the radio carrier.
Yes on the canteen but not regulations per scouts, so that would not happen.
The repairs was probably from begging on his knees not to be put on a green horse.
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Post by alden405 on Oct 21, 2009 19:58:16 GMT -5
Yes,dude i know The bottle thing wasnt quite OT but worth noting from a ww2 horse trooper. The field dressing sits better worn along the top row The guidon socket is a lot more elaborate and the socket on this cut down stirrup is a reall shoddy saddler job. The issue guidon socket is brass and rivets to the stirrup with a cross bar There was a model 1940 stirrup and guidon socket,the earliest of either in my collection is dated 1942 so im thinking the 112th didnt get any before they deployed below is the Cavalry Radio in use Below is a link to the qm line drawing of the 40 model (not too differant to the 1904 variation) but very differant to the one in the photo from my collection. www.lrgaf.org/images/blueprints/1-1-1.tifin fact if you like ww2 horse cavalry and related stuff you gotta check the link below hvac.livejournal.com/329856.html These are tifs(whatever that is)i cant save it on the desktop at work but can drag to desktop on the Mac at home and here is a Guidon socket on an 04 stirrup on a 28 Mac saddle,the unit is Troop B,252nd QM Sqn(Remount) GREAT STUFF Regards Sam
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Post by alden405 on Oct 21, 2009 20:03:30 GMT -5
field dressing worn in the standard mounted position, Troop A.16th Cav QM Sqn in New Guinea also note position of helmet,same as prewar carry of the 1917 helmet and variants
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Post by alden405 on Oct 22, 2009 17:55:39 GMT -5
Hey Vic You also if remember have to change your medical bandage pouch Alden The leather socket since he was headquaters can be used for the guidons and flags. Never heard of the radio carrier. Yes on the canteen but not regulations per scouts, so that would not happen. The repairs was probably from begging on his knees not to be put on a green horse. On the subject of canteens,the ww1 canteens used by 26th Cavalry coudlnt be attached directly to the belt. Photos from 41 to early 42 show Scouts and GIs sometimes attaching the bottles to suspender straps by unscrewing the cap and hanging the bottle from the chain. below is a dismounted horse trooper with a Civil war style blanket role,this pics is from 1943 No canteen apears to be worn (trooper in the rear has a mess tin hung from his blanket roll below is a shot of the 112th departing for the PTO Note saddle bags and Cav waterbottles,also note revolvers,a boot knife and bugles!
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Post by VeeVee on Oct 22, 2009 21:07:15 GMT -5
Nice pictures, thanks for posting. I see the 3-buckle boots are in use.
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Post by 26th on Oct 23, 2009 0:10:35 GMT -5
Alden: Like Victor said nice shots and of them departing. What boot knife? Great eyes you have. I also noticed no ammo belts on departing guys and the one walking. Other comment on departing guys, is that they are wearing their spurs. Most unusual. No ride no spurs. Must be macho thing. I think the guy is caring his tent and not a civil war type blanket. On the canteen, now you are getting it. The cavalry did not have the hook type canteen pouch they had the leather strap and hook that hooked on to the saddle ring and the canteen to the first two straps of the side saddle bag. Photo of me of my dad 1923 26th cavalry impression with canteen showing. Keep the pictures coming. Rudy/26thCav
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Post by alden405 on Oct 23, 2009 2:05:07 GMT -5
I should have clarified Shelter half,over blanket,pegs,tentpole,toilet articles and a change of clothes,basicly anything that was in the saddle bags for the trooper rather than the horse
the boot knife is on the dude second from right (ill get a tighter grab from the original photo
i dont want to drag this too of topic as its not entirely Pinoy Mlitary History
just want to show all variations of equipment used by horse units during the second world war
i dont just collect photos,i have saddles,scabbards,sabres,boots,bottles,hats,helmets and all the other junk
i aint a Johny come lately to the horse thing,ive been collecting for 25 years and collecting ww2 US horse cavalry stuff for most of it
i will get some photos together 3 month old daughter permitting of course
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Post by 26th on Oct 23, 2009 11:06:13 GMT -5
Alden:
If it is a photo of Philippine Scouts you keep on putting them on the forum.
If you have anything extra to sell for our period put them in our flea market section. Have fun with the 3 month old. Do not miss those days.
Boots and saddles
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Post by alden405 on Oct 23, 2009 17:40:52 GMT -5
1 revolver holster and ammo pocket 2 1917 mounted canteen 3 same again,hung from the saddle bag strap 4 boot knife 1 1st aid pouch at rear 2 1917 canteen worn by the strap around wrist 1917 mounted canteend hung incorrectly from a 1917 Packers saddle,1943 513th qm pack troop and as to spurs being a macho thing some phtos of various 112th guys at the docks show spurs others do not,it was a part of the unfirom for mounted troops sp who knows.... phtos of the sister regiment (124th Cavalry) departing late 1944 show no spurs
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Post by 26th on Oct 23, 2009 19:46:06 GMT -5
Wow
Better close ups and yea I see that darn knife. Very interesting photo. Shows all but saddle, tent and scabbard.
Thanks for blow ups.
Rudy
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Post by jnmodeller on Oct 23, 2009 20:07:06 GMT -5
Wow nice shots! just wondering what kind of knife they use.
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Post by alden405 on Oct 23, 2009 20:12:24 GMT -5
could be anything
my scanmner does good work,just not that good
the 112th was a pre war National Guard regiment from Texas so it could be something right of the farm
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Post by roamingchad on Jun 13, 2011 11:43:44 GMT -5
Would the 26th Cavalry have been wearing M1906 suspenders or M1936 by this point? I have heard the M1906 since they had no use for the d rings on the M1936 but some photos look like the did have the later ones.
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Post by 26th on Jun 13, 2011 18:27:25 GMT -5
Hi Roamingchad:
What period are we talking about? In 1943 like most of this picture show and states side the 26th Cavalry does not excist. Horse's ate and they surrendered.
The 26th had a transition in the 30's when saber went and saddle and a few other things changed. Boot's no legging's, steel helmet, not just a campaign hat, 1903 rifel to garand. Harness could have been kept with new and such.
Just to make sure the pictures you are see are not 26th and way after the surrender.
Rudy
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Post by insurrectomad on Jun 16, 2011 5:01:43 GMT -5
Osprey Books are not of The Bible and are sometimes wrong as the researcher or artist have failed to verify if all is correct before the publishing date. As there are even now in 2011 a few living Vets who can verify and answer these questions, I suspect it is the lack of time prior to the publishing/printing dates that cause the mistakes rather than pure laziness (I hope!)
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Post by maxpalmer on Jul 16, 2011 1:57:26 GMT -5
I am trying to find where to buy the Untold Triumph DVD? Can you advise me? Tks Max
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Post by av8tor on Jul 16, 2011 13:15:54 GMT -5
I am trying to find where to buy the Untold Triumph DVD? Can you advise me? Tks Max E-mail Mr. Izon sonnyizon(at)aol.com
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