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Post by bobcouttie on Nov 21, 2006 0:33:20 GMT -5
FWITW, there's a re-enactment of the Balangiga Incident of September 28, 1901 in Balangiga everyyear (Since 1986). It's a great event and certainly worth going to see.
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Post by VeeVee on Nov 21, 2006 0:45:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! Do you know of any online pictures from the reenactment by any chance?
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Post by legionnaire on Nov 21, 2006 10:08:47 GMT -5
Please post pictures and welcome aboard!
Philip
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Post by bobcouttie on Nov 21, 2006 18:41:03 GMT -5
Please post pictures and welcome aboard! Philip Will do. I have video, too, from re-enactments since 1995, for a documentary called Hang The Dogs: The True Tragic History of the Balangiga Massacre. Which, FWIW is the title of a book about the event, but I won't mention the name of the author I'll post what I can.
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Post by VeeVee on Nov 21, 2006 22:22:55 GMT -5
Oh boy... another must read book. I'm already in the middle of 5 different books. Thanks for the info though! Where can we get a copy of this book? It's not in Amazon.com. I found an old interview of you online www.philnews.com/2005/da1.html
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Post by bobcouttie on Nov 22, 2006 18:49:04 GMT -5
I believe its available mail order in the US from Philippine Expressions (www.philippineexpressions.com) and Bookbin Pacifica. Bob Oh boy... another must read book. I'm already in the middle of 5 different books. Thanks for the info though! Where can we get a copy of this book? It's not in Amazon.com. I found an old interview of you online www.philnews.com/2005/da1.html
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Post by beancent on Sept 21, 2007 0:21:57 GMT -5
I wonder how they re-enact the savagery and the viciousness of balangiga... Are they throwing canned goods too just like the americans?
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Post by beancent on Sept 21, 2007 0:24:37 GMT -5
by the way, we must ask the american government to return the two bells they took as "spoils of war' so they can ring and echo again in samar in commemoration of the so-called "massacre'. As a Filipino, it was a legitimate raid or encounter.
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Post by victoree on Sept 21, 2007 19:30:26 GMT -5
by the way, we must ask the american government to return the two bells they took as "spoils of war' so they can ring and echo again in samar in commemoration of the so-called "massacre'. As a Filipino, it was a legitimate raid or encounter. This could start an ugly fight. Those bells are out in my area. They are at the Air Force Base that we do one of our major displays at. One of the members of this board is on that base. The attitude is, "you want em back, come try and take em back." That is the very ugly side of those bells. Martin
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Post by beancent on Sept 23, 2007 6:33:25 GMT -5
yep. the f.e. warren air force base... actually there is a third bell. it is with the US 9th Inf stationed in SoKor.
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Post by texian13cav on Jan 10, 2008 15:58:07 GMT -5
Amen, beancent, treachery cannot be rewarded... Valor and Bravory should be.
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Post by arnaldodumindin on Jan 13, 2008 11:31:03 GMT -5
The smallest of the three Balangiga church bells was turned over to the headquarters of the 9th US Infantry Regiment in Calbayog, Samar, around April 1902. This relic is on permanent display at the museum of the 9th US Infantry, stationed in Camp Hovey, Tongduchon, South Korea. It is now considered by Filipino historians as the one that was rung during the Balangiga attack.
The two bigger bells were brought to the U.S. by returning 11th Infantry soldiers to their home station at the former Fort D.A. Russell, now the F.E. Warren Air Force Base, in Cheyenne, Wyoming. Both are displayed at the Balangiga Memorial in its Trophy Park.
Regardless of which bell was rung, those bells were Filipino property and should be returned to their rightful owners.
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Post by beancent on Jan 14, 2008 10:51:21 GMT -5
"Ring them bells..." -Bob Dylan-
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Post by VeeVee on Jan 14, 2008 13:03:26 GMT -5
Just my personal opinion on these bells...
I feel that there are "bigger fish to fry" in this world. There are bigger problems to worry about. We know where the bells are and they're not doing anyone any harm where they are. Why won't we just let them be as long as we keep the history alive for generations. It will only cost a lot of money to ship them back to the Philippines... and what are we Filipinos going to do with them?
If we're going to keep score of what were taken from us and what we took from the Americans... then we should probably give back as well every single computer, coffee maker, furniture, vehicle, what have you... that was looted from Clark after Pinatubo.
There's poverty to eradicate, government corruption to fight... We got our independence in 1946... then we got the US bases back in the 90's. Are we now down to crying about the bells for lack of anything else that we want back?
Now I'm not being sarcastic... I'm only saying these because I find myself with no deep emotional attachment to these bells. This is my own shortcoming and maybe this provides a measure of objective opinion as well.
I just don't want negative bashing to fester using the bells as a platform.
Instead of looking at it as "Filipino property that has to be returned", we can look at it as symbol of shared and intertwined history of the two countries. A history that had both ugly and good sides with both conflict and peace. Let it be a symbol of friendship and brotherhood between two countries... that the painful lessons have been learned... that may no more massacres occur between any countries anywhere.
As a symbol for more profound and positive things, it can physically reside anywhere and it will still serve its purpose as a symbol.
We are free to look at it at as positive an angle as we want to. Why cultivate the negative?
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by galahad143 on Jan 24, 2009 2:25:13 GMT -5
How do you post photos here? I have photos of the plaza where the attack happened. These photos were taken in 2006.
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Post by VeeVee on Jan 25, 2009 1:36:18 GMT -5
You can open a free Photobucket account, upload your pictures there and post the links and images here. Welcome to the forum. -victor
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Post by galahad143 on Jan 28, 2009 2:07:50 GMT -5
Thank you, I'll check it out.
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Post by waitingintherain on May 13, 2010 9:28:31 GMT -5
Let the bells stay as to where they are now...
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Post by waitingintherain on May 13, 2010 10:47:15 GMT -5
Just my personal opinion on these bells... I feel that there are "bigger fish to fry" in this world. There are bigger problems to worry about. We know where the bells are and they're not doing anyone any harm where they are. Why won't we just let them be as long as we keep the history alive for generations. It will only cost a lot of money to ship them back to the Philippines... and what are we Filipinos going to do with them? If we're going to keep score of what were taken from us and what we took from the Americans... then we should probably give back as well every single computer, coffee maker, furniture, vehicle, what have you... that was looted from Clark after Pinatubo. There's poverty to eradicate, government corruption to fight... We got our independence in 1946... then we got the US bases back in the 90's. Are we now down to crying about the bells for lack of anything else that we want back? Now I'm not being sarcastic... I'm only saying these because I find myself with no deep emotional attachment to these bells. This is my own shortcoming and maybe this provides a measure of objective opinion as well. I just don't want negative bashing to fester using the bells as a platform. Instead of looking at it as "Filipino property that has to be returned", we can look at it as symbol of shared and intertwined history of the two countries. A history that had both ugly and good sides with both conflict and peace. Let it be a symbol of friendship and brotherhood between two countries... that the painful lessons have been learned... that may no more massacres occur between any countries anywhere. As a symbol for more profound and positive things, it can physically reside anywhere and it will still serve its purpose as a symbol. We are free to look at it at as positive an angle as we want to. Why cultivate the negative? Just my 2 cents. I'm from Balangiga,.. ask us who live there, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if that bells be returned or not. Let it be on where it is now. We don't even sweat much about it. Yearly celebration of the Balangiga Massacre is just like a good thing aside from Fiesta because we don't have to go to school, a lot of town activity, lots of people from different places. In regards to the bells. At least, there's something from us that's in the other country, and tell you what, it's a good feeling. That's what the opinion of others too.
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Post by pedroscollection on May 29, 2010 20:00:21 GMT -5
Filipino's perspective or not, the Balangiga Massacre is written by victors (the Americans) so there are much bias on it.
What beancent said is right, its not a massacre, its a "Great Raid", a successful engagement made by the Filipinos.
After my lecture at the National Museum about the "Philippine Revolutionary Uniforms & Victorious Battles" & said that this battle is a Filipino Victory, one audience commented to me that the Balangiga Massacre is not a Filipino victory because the Americans are not ready. But I did not answer him, just smile at him. But in my mind I'm laughing. Mean to say if the Allied Forces will attack Normandy in 1944, they must say... "Hey, the enemy is sleeping, we'll wake the Germans first because its unfare for them" Bwa-ha-ha. Why, the enemy should always be ready before you fight them??? That's why there are Raids, Ambush, Surprise Attack, etc.... kind of engagement. How about the other surprise & successful battles done by Europeans & Americans? Are they not considered victory? Its not our problem that our enemy is at the disadvantage side.
This is a Filipino Victory & the Americans cannot take a defeat, thus to avenge it, they massacred the innocent people in that place & that's the "Massacre". That is the real Balangiga Massacre.
Mabuhay; Perry
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