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Post by Fr Seraphim on Jan 7, 2018 22:17:02 GMT -5
Prem Poddar,et al. (eds), in their book, "A Historical Companion to Postcolonial Literatures: Continental Europe and Its Empires," has an entry written by Jaime Veneracion (UP) titled, "The Philippines-Mexico connection," that reads, "...the lasting relations between the two populations [Philippines and Mexico] can be seen in the way a town in Pampanga was named Mexico, evidently to honour the soldier-mercenaries belonging to the Pampango troops that remained loyal to the Spanish crown until the revolution of 1896. It has been said that these Mexican mercenaries came from the Yaqui tribe of Sonora, Mexico and were integrated into the colonial army (Parker, 1911)." p.576
Unfortunately Veneracion did not supply the title of Parker's book in his bibliography. Anyone familiar with this author and his alleged book?
Another book that mentions this heritage is Floro L. Mercene, "Manila Men in the New World: Filipino Migration to Mexico and the Americas from the Sixteenth Century," University of the Philippines Press, 2007. He says that the Yaquis or sometimes referred to as Mexican Indian were brought to the Philippines as mercenaries. In fact one of their leaders was named Nacabeba. p. 139,
Im a missionary working and living with the Yaquis in Tucson AZ. We are trying to study these claims. And the thread is very helpful.
We just need to develop a larger bibliography on the matter. If you have other books, materials, writings, anecdotes related to this topic, Yaquis in the Philippines, we would all benefit a lot in understanding our own Pinoy history.
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Post by MJuda on Jul 22, 2018 14:59:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the thread. Interesting. I always notice a lot of misunderstanding when it comes to Philippine history. When the Moors controlled Europe, Jewish and Arabised Moors controlled all trade routes in the world. This was in the middle ages. Macabebe were one of those moors and they are related to the Nahuatl or Aztec and the Mohican (Mahikeng or Mafikeng) and Mohawks (Mohokeng or Mofokeng - my tribe - the Bafokeng - Bhele - the bear people). I am based in South Africa and I am what they call an African or Bantu. I have reddish or copper skin and I look like an Aeta or Solomon Islands habitant with nappy hair. All the tribes I read about in Philippines exist in Africa as the Bantu people. No-one knows where we came from but we were more advanced technologically than the Africans then and we colonised it as a tool of the West to take over Africa. We call Macabebe which is Ma - The people of + Ka - At + Bebe = The people of at Bhebhe. For some reason we add the people of on top of people of for a lot of clan names. I have seen this all over Philippines and Africa. We also call them BoSongo who are also called Gusii or Kisii or Ekossi people who inhabit the whole of Africa. People of this clan are presidents or Kings of at least 30 African countries. Because we consist of many tribes within our clans, our people also call these BoSongo, ZoSongo, Songhay (Mali), Songiya, Mhlongo, Mhlungu and associate clans. Closer to home, we are called Nkosi/HHosi/Kgosi clan - the clan of Kings. I have found out that the clans in question are Israelite Kings. They are people of eLangeni or of the Langa people. Langa was where our patron Shaka Zulu, the great African King lived and his mother was a Bhebhe, which is why the Sulus would not accept her. I also think she was not the same religion but the English have totally destroyed the truth when it comes to that. What complicates matters is that now I know that the Sulus of Filipines also called their royalty - Tuan (we call them Mntwana), Datuk/Datung (Mntungwa) and almost all the ancestor's names look like they have been indigenised but still look Jewish. E.g. MThaniya, MThiya - M(u) means "person of" Thaniya (Tania), Tia, Thimuni, Mudli etc. I am so confused about how long my people have been in Africa. All South African tribes/clans seem to have come from Philippines as recently as the last revolts before "independence". I am so lost. Anyway, the Kings' clans are mapped out more from the mothers of the Kings rather than the father (because of polygamy) and Vijayan/Bisaya actually comes from Sibiya, who is mother to King Joash, Merua/Moroa/Birwa or the Bathwa (who are related to Kayan and other Butoa from South East Asia, South pacific and mainland South Asia (India, Nepal, Mongolia etc.) - there are red people in all these countries, either mixed with Birwa or full Aeta-looking ancient Jew. I have so much to share. I have been searching my history since I was told I look like a Nigerian. Nigeria is probably 6,000 km from South Africa and only a 3-months' march in the old days but I was shocked to find out that my tribe the Sothos had links to the whole world before the current world order. I know more about Sri Bisaya as well even being able to prove that the Gusii in South Africa have relations to them e.g. The Cholas were called Soazhi, the tribe of Benjamin in South Africa which includes the tribe of Ephraim and the tribe of Simeon - look it up - they combined soon after going into Canaan, is called Swazi and they have a country called Swaziland and they call their rivers Komati (look it up - there are Komatis in India). Links between black people and India, what? Links between a land in South Pacific, what? lastly, I also have proof beyond any reasonable doubt that ALL of America was inhabited by indians who looked like me, some who looked mixed and some who look "asiatic". I think the slave trade is a lie. The people were already living in those countries. It seems to me that black or rather, red, people were indigenous to everywhere but Africa. Anyone who grows up in a mixed family knows that how you look does not determine who you are related to. So, many Jews are mixed race - The Bible says this was one of our biggest problems - could not resist other races and tribes. An aside: Do you have tribes that cannot say Sh- and instead say Si- and do you have the Tefuya's who substitute "y" for "l"? In my country, the Sulus consolidated the tribes into one strong MozaMbo or MaMbo like ZaMboanga which I think means the Zambos of Nga tribe. We have lots of Nga's this side. Nga = Mba so MaNga = MaMba tribes. Anyway, I can explain a lot more. To understand Philippine history, you will have to pick up the Bible and start at Genesis and now start to read it as if it is written about your people: eyes wide open!
Here are some praise names for bhebhe (Don't mind the h, it is there to distinguish between "b" for bus and the other "b" that sounds almost like a "p":
Nina bakaBhebhe kaMthendeka! Nina bakaSoqubel’ onjengegundwane!Nina baseSiweni,kwaMpuku yakwaMselemusi,kwaNogwence webaya!
(Meaning: You of Bhebhe of Thendeka! You of SoQubel' (personifying the act of hiding and persevering like a rat) who is like a rat!
Dlomo weNdl' ende!Sihlangu samavaka seswel' ababhemu!Wen' owalala nomunw'endunu, wavuka wawuncinda wawukhomb'ilanga!
(Jomon or Solomon or Salman of the Longhouse! (Now you know which Israelite King it is) Shoe/harbourer of the cowards, running short of numbers! You who slept with a finger up your bum, and woke up, rubbed it clean and pointed it at the sun! (I did not write this, there is a whole continent that recites this! I think it is commentary of desert conditions and nomadic lifestyle or please help!)
Makhul'emini abafokazana bekhul' ebusuku!Zingwazi zempi yakwaNdunu!Njoman' eyaduk' iminyakanyaka,yatholakal' onyakeni wesine;yabuye yatholakala ngowesikhombisa!Langeni,owavel' elangeni!
Makhul'emini - I forgot what you call this in Philippines but this is when we combine words into one shorter one but it is a whole sentence - It means - You who grows/matures during the day, while aBafokazana (remember my Bafo-keng above + kadazan, I think) - the normal people grow/mature at night. So, basically hunt at night and sleep during the day? You stabbers of the Ndunu war - Ndunu means bum or maybe a place. Njoman (person/king of Njo/Ngo - Agaw, Bajau or Ijwa/Ijo) who disappered for years and years, who was found in the 4th year and again in the 7th year! Lankeni (of the Langa/Lanka/Lakan people/clan - of the sun), who came from the sun/Langa clan.
The other ones are Mgabhi which I think means Mga Bisaya. The former president of Zimbabwe, a country next to us was a Mugabe and was from the Zezuru tribe. Me thinks he is Sulu. Another is Dindi - which I think refers to Sitti or Siddhi or even grass whose roots are so entangled with soil that it is difficult to pull out - Isidindi.
Makhedama (Kedma is the one of the sons of Ishmael, son of Abraham and Malchuth (this is all in the Bible), Khuyameni/Khulameni - meni is people of or King of and Khula is the racial term for Indians or weed - not the drug - King of the Khulas/Ndiya. Black people like calling their children Khula in South Africa. Makhedama! Soyengwase!
I have more: The father of King Jeroboam was called Nadab or Ndaba. His mother was Zerua (plural for Merua/Moroa or Moro - also the name or Ameruka, Kameroen, Peru (plural for Meru) and former Kings of Ithiopia as the Meroe Kingdom in the 300s to 600s AD, I think.) Moors or Moros are a big deal. A lot in Africa and the rest of the world turned to Islam because that was a safer option and also because they were tired of denying that God exists (Hindu, Jain and Buddhist). I am Christian and a follower of Jesus Christ. Rwa-Nda (BiRwa + MaNda/maNga/maMba tribes = tribes of Juda) is one of the countries that is Meru and known to be Jewish. They are basically African pygmies just like Aeta, Ati, Kayan etc. Do the clan praise names ring a bell - I have lots more - and what else can you tell me about Macabebe? Oh, lastly, BiRwa/Butoa can be traced to Ephrat or Efurat/Efuyathi who is one of teh wives of Caleb/Carib/Marib/Maharlika/Madiba (like President Nelson Mandela - whose clan were Jewish Zanj Eunuchs - Zindela), Madida/Gariep the Dog, one of only 2 scouts that came back to Padre Moses with messages of good tidings and being able to beat the KaNanda (Canaan) tribes when sent to observe by Moses. He and Joshua of Nun were the only to enter Canaan from the generation that left Egypt and the first Judge of Juda after entering Canaan. That is who Butoan/BiRwa come from. They are also very mixed race, in Filipines as in Africa, even though some look like Aetas - who are mixed race BTW. Come to South Africa. Philippines and South Africa are tied forever! The only hope for salvation and for economic emancipation also lies with us.
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Post by MJuda on Jul 22, 2018 15:35:26 GMT -5
The Saba people or Sabaens (Pronounced Sheba - Share-ba) are also Solomonistic. Solomon's mother was called BeerSheba. She was supposed to come from a non-ruling house or Khondlo but that did not work as his father, decided he will rule. In fact, Absalom, King David's son stole the throne from him for a minute. The Sabaens were also in the Persian empires, they were Etruscans and they are fierce warriors. South African praise names for the tribes here also tell the history including head-hunting for a tribe called Kubheka and Sibisi who I think are Hubeq and Sebesi/Subiq.
Anyway, we call Solomon, Dlodlo/Dlomo (similar to how the "paper Jews/pepperdews" call it "Shlomo"). People of the Longhouse. We are called Ndebele or Matebele. Debelaim is written in the Bible as an official tribe of Israel in Hosea 1 vs 3 and Esdras 2 - where the full list of tribes that were admitted into Jerusalem after Babylonian exile. The Kaba/Gaba/Gova/Goba/Gaboa are also there. This the tribe of our patriarch Yekaba/Yegova that is all over Africa, from corner to corner. I think a great many of us came from Ithiopia and by choice but a substantial part of us came as slaves from all Spanish, Portuguese, British, Dutch and American colonies and were brought as slaves to Africa. Aluta Continua! We are nothing without the Triune God.
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Post by David taga Mexico, Pampanga on Aug 11, 2018 13:13:15 GMT -5
I have been meaning to make a Macabebe thread, but never had the time. Now that there is one I guess I can post now and share what I found on the Macabebes. I really question the source of this information. If this is indeed from a book, what was their source? Please point me to a "reliable" source. The Macabebes history is not hidden, it is well "documented". And it dates back "prior" to the Spanish arrival. If it is well recognized as dating prior to Spanish arrival, then they were not from Mexico or imported by Spain. First off, the Spanish "discovered for themselves" Manila in 1570. In Philippine history class(in the Philippines) one learns the Battle of Bangkusay in 1571...this is the faithful stance the Luzon natives took against the Spanish invasion. This is a well documented event in Philippine History and Spanish History. True, it is known throughout our history the Macabebes were direct enemies with the Tagalogs, but it is NOT because the Macabebes were foreigners. The hatred stems from the peace between the three Tagalog chiefs of Manila(Soliman, Matanda, and Lakandula) and the Spanish. This peace let the Spanish settle on to native soil, which initially was to be a short visit. Macabebe chief, Tarik(aka Torik or Tariq) Soliman was fully against the Spanish. The story goes on with Rajah Soliman defying the peace when he discovers the Spanish wanted to colonize the land. Some historians believe Rajah Soliman teamed up with Tarik Soliman and both fought in the Battle of Bangkusay...both are hailed in this battle. One key fact is the two other Tagalog Chiefs did not help and remained friends with the Spaniards. The end result, Tarik Soliman lost his life, the Macabebes warriors were nearly wiped off the face of the earth. The Macabebe people placed blame on the Tagalogs for losing the battle, losing their leader, losing there warriors, and losing their native land. This event in history seperated the two tribes and this is infact how Pampanga the provence came to be. This reference can be found in any history book on the Philippines as it is significant with the history of Tarik Soliman, Macabebes, Tondo, Rajah Lakandula, Manila, Rajah Soliman, and the arrival of the Spainards in to Manila. The Macabebes had a great empire going long before the Spanish arrived. The Macabebes were NEVER imported. Years later, with the Macabebe threat suppressed, the Spanish used the Macabebes hatred and made them mercinaries to help suppress uprisings by the Tagalogs. This is how the rivalry between the Tagalogs and Macabebes came to be. This information can be found through out the internet and through out Philippine History books. Tarik Soliman(a Macabebe leader) is a national hero. To some, he is up there with Lapu-Lapu, as being a martyr and the FIRST NATIVE, a Macabebe, to defy the Spanish rule on Luzon. Article from the National Historical Institute of the Philippines www.nhi.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=145&Itemid=2If this is NOT true, then how were the Macabebes imported from Mexico(North America) when they fought in a battle against the Spanish within one year after the Spanish arrived in Luzon?...how were they part of the Yaqui Indian tribe? If this is mis-information, please "prove" to me that I am wrong. "Believed" is not concrete and fact. Also from Arnaldo Dumindin website: www.freewebs.com/philippineamericanwar/captureofaguinaldo1901.htmThe Macabebes were fierce freedom fighters when they first appeared in written history; they fought the Spanish invaders in 1571. Ironically, it was the Tagalogs (under Lakandula of Tondo and Rajah Soliman of Manila) who eventually welcomed the Spaniards while the Kapampangans (under Tarik Soliman of Macabebe) had to die fighting in the Battle of Bangkusay. [/i][/quote] |
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Post by David Mexico, Pampanga on Aug 11, 2018 13:36:10 GMT -5
I'm wondering what the point of this whole thread is. If there's information that they were not "native," fine. If there's information that they fought the Spaniards in the 1570s, fine. What's historically incontestible at this point in time is that they were used/happily cooperated with, divide-and-conquer style, with Spanish and American pacification. Aside from correcting certain misconceptions that don't affect the big picture, what's this thread for? A dedicated historian and museum fund might be a solution to end all these questions. The colonization of Spain is quite interesting, I question where are my roots from Spain? Portugal? Or did a priest opened up a Bible pointed a biblical name used it for census purposes. |
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