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Post by VeeVee on Nov 10, 2007 12:14:20 GMT -5
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Post by faustino on Nov 10, 2007 22:29:31 GMT -5
Really nice website! awesome photos! some I have never seen before. Hats off Thank you "Butch"
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Post by renesaure on Feb 9, 2008 3:00:38 GMT -5
sadly to say, these were the parts of our history that were not given enough time during our study of our history in high school...
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Post by jimmay on Feb 9, 2008 15:47:18 GMT -5
sadly to say, these were the parts of our history that were not given enough time during our study of our history in high school... I know what you mean. In High School I was looking through my U.S. History Book and all that said about the Philippine-American War was that after the Span.-Amer War, the U.S. had the Philippines, Guam, and Cuba. It didn't say anything about the Filipinos fighting the Americans - I was surprised the book mentioned about the Philippines lol
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Post by frank on Feb 18, 2008 3:04:58 GMT -5
timawa.net/forum/index.php/topic,11269.0.html The site where the first shot which sparked the Philippine-American War in 1899 was fired has been determined to be on Sosiego and Silencio Streets in Sta. Mesa, Manila, and not on a bridge in San Juan City.
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picture Gen Licerio Geronimo
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Post by picture Gen Licerio Geronimo on Mar 10, 2008 0:20:32 GMT -5
Nice Site Ginoong Dumindin, but I notice that you have no Picture of Gen. Licerio Geronimo. Last Year we have a Histo-research contest, and during our research we were lucky to interview Gen. Geronimo's apo. He gave us picture of his lolo cerio. I want to contrbute it to your site, how can we contact you?
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Post by arnaldodumindin on Mar 31, 2008 23:40:50 GMT -5
PLEASE E-MAIL ME THAT PHOTO OF LICERIO GERONIMO !!! send it to arnaldobdumindin@yahoo.com and I'd include it muy pronto in my website www.freewebs.com/philippineamericanwarYou can't imagine the hours I've spent searching online libraries and brick-and-mortar libraries here in Texas looking for a photo of Licerio Geronimo !!! Maraming salamat at nagustuhan mo ang aking website...it's a free site but if I wanted to improve the site, I'd pay a monthly fee...pero galing ako sa Ilocos Sur before migrating to the US in 1998 and "Ilocanos do not pay !!!" I'D APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH IF YOU COULD E-MAIL THAT PHOTO
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Post by Sumaquel Hosalla on Apr 3, 2008 2:41:02 GMT -5
Ginoong Dumindin,
I prefer to use my common language here in the philippine. Medyo hirap pa kasi akong mag english(We use Filipino as medium of instruction in Social Studies)
Anyway, padala ko po sa inyo yung picture, nag-iisa na lang daw po ito sabi ni ginoong Ocampo(maliban sa canvass picture niyang makikita sa mga magazines articles na ipapadala ko rin sa inyo)ipapadala ko po ito sa inyo w/out any pay----I understand the Ilocano culture of being "kuripot" ---- he he he biro lang po ginoong dumindin wag po kayong magagalit.
For the sake of Gen. Licerio Geronimo, the unsung hero of the battle of san mateo(magalit na kung magalit si G. Ocampo kung makikita yung picture ng kayang lolo sa isang website na hindi naipaalam sa kanya)ipapadala ko yung picture niya sa inyo para mapasama sa mga larawan ng inyong website.(As a teacher in araling panlipunan, pakiramdam ko obligado akong ipadala ito sa inyo para makatulong sa higit pang pagpapalawak at pagpapakilala sa ating mga Bayaning Filipino lalong lalo na yung mga unsung hero.)
Gaya nga ng madalas kong naririnig sa aking butihing kaibigan na si G. Perry Javier ng Buhay na kasaysayan. "Lets promote Filipino values of victories, heroism and nationalism."
Mahusay ang inyong mga gawa, mabuhay kayo g. Dumindin.
Give me one week to prefer the photos
and please contact me on this E-add(sumaquel@yahoo.com)para madaling mag attached ng file.
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Post by Richard Rivera on Apr 25, 2008 22:52:40 GMT -5
Dear Mr Hossalla,
RE: Sharing Licerio Geronimo's photo to be used in Mr Dumindin's website:
i totally agree that we should help every way we can in spreading information about our heroes (especially the least known ones) - since our school system seems incapable of doing this at times.
i just wish that you had asked Mr. Eddie Ocampo's permission first before passing on his lolo's photo. I don't think he would've minded but Mr. Ocampo deserves the courtesy since he was generous enough to share this beloved photo of his lolo.
(just my two cents - thanks for sharing though)
Richard
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Post by Richard Rivera on Apr 25, 2008 23:02:23 GMT -5
Mr. Dumindin,
thank you so much for creating this very informative and highly enjoyable website.
adding all those photos has set this site apart from the others thereby guaranteeing more viewership from our fellow Philippine History enthusiasts.
keep up the good work at mabuhay ka!
Richard
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Post by Macky Hosalla on Apr 26, 2008 11:46:55 GMT -5
To:G. Rivera
When we have the chance to interview G. Eddie Ocampo in his residence in Montalban Rizal last year, we feel bless to have the copy of Gen. Licerio Geronimo picture.
Early 80's pa lang, simula ng makita ko yung Monumento ni Gen. Lawton sa Barrio Silangan ay nabighani na akong hanapin ang magiting na Heneral at ang kanyang mga Tiradores.
Imagine, 27 years akong naghahanap ng mga inpormasyon tungkol sa kanya(Hen. Cerio)wala akong nakita(maliban na lang nga ng ma-interview namin si Manong Eddie Ocampo last year.)
Wala naman actually siyang ipinagbawal tungkol sa picture, proud pa nga siya na maipakilala namin at mapabilang ang kanyang lolo Cerio sa aming research. Ipinakilala pa nga niya kami sa kanyang Butihing ina, ang nalalabing buhay na anak ni Hen. Cerio si Gng. Rosalina Geronimo.
Pero hindi lang talaga ako sure kung ano ang kanyang magiging reaction kung lalabas nga ang larawan ng kanyang lolo cerio sa isang site ng Internet.
Siguro nga dapat nagpaalam ako, pero dala ng aking "Konsensiya Sosyal" napilitan akong ipagkaloob ito sa iba.
Sa loob ng mahigit isang daang taon kasi nananahimik ang kasaysayan tungkol sa kanyang kabayanihan.(Hen. Cerio)Di nalaman kung gaano siya kagaling sa digmaan, walang tala tungkol sa iba pa niyang mga exploit at gaano kahusay ang kanyang mga taktika.(Hanggang ngayon ay nag-reresearch pa rin ako sa tungkol sa kanya at sa kanyang mga taktikang ginamit sa battleof san mateo)
Isa siyang "Unsung Hero" wala siya sa mga librong ipinanglilinang sa ating mga mag-aaral na Filipino.
Kaisa po ninyo ako G. Rivera sa pagpapakilala sa magiting na Heneral. Paumanhin lang po kung masyado akong naging agresibo. Nagalit po ba siya?(G. Eddie Ocampo)
Sana'y inyong maunawaan!
G. Hosalla
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Post by Richard Rivera on Apr 27, 2008 2:11:41 GMT -5
Mr. Hosalla,
Mr. Eddie Ocampo has made it a life-long mission to gain the much-deserved recognition for his maternal lolo. So I don’t think “magagalit siya”. Hayaan mo, kung iyong mamarapatin, sa susunod kong makapanayam siya ipagpapaalam kita : )
Memorabilia on Gen. Serio are truly hard to come by. The way I understand it, most of it were lost during the Liberation of 1945 when the Geronimo family home, along with most of the houses at the poblacion of Montalban, burned to the ground - additional casualties of the heavy fighting between the American/Filipino guerillas against the Japanese who were heavily entrenched in the mountains of Montalban and San Mateo. Only two KNOWN photos survived. One is the photo that you had acquired. The other is in the possession of the descendants of Serio’s son (Casimiro) somewhere in the Visayas.
Like you, I’ve been fascinated with Gen. Serio’s accomplishments. My interest was sparked when I read a ‘Mr. & Ms’ magazine article about the general way back in the early 1980’s. Too bad I did NOT keep that article! Anyway, being born and raised in San Mateo, that magazine article had made me proud. Many years later, I began doing some research on the general along with the Katipunan activities around the Montalban/ San Mateo areas. Being now based in the US, my research has been challenging and quite frustrating at times. If you’re interested, here are some titles that I have used and may be of use to you in your research:
The Katipunan and the Revolution: Memoirs of a General By: Santiago Alvarez (Comment: Includes an account of Gen Serio’s appointment as a general in the Katipunan army).
Little Brown Brother: How the US Purchased and Pacified the Philippines By Leon Wolf (Comment: the author mentioned the presence of a “foreign mercenary” in Gen. Geronimo’s command)
Harper’s History of the War in the Philippines Editor: Marion Wilcox (Includes military reports concerning the battles at San Mateo which occurred in August and Dec. 19, 1899. The August battle was participated in by the famed Buffalo Soldiers).
Old Army Memories: 1872 – 1918 By James Parker (An account of Col James Parker’s military expedition in San Mateo against Gen. Serio. Curiously, Parker mentioned rumors concerning the presence of an Englishman in Serio’s command. Note: This rumor has yet to be substantiated).
Annual Reports of the US Secretary of War By The US War Dept (Available for viewing at Google Books. Includes details on the US efforts to capture Gen. Serio after the Dec. 19 battle. It also mentioned the presence of a Japanese national in Serio’s command.)
The Forty-Second Foot By Frederick John Herman (A rare book. The US 42nd USV, the US 27th USV, and the Philippine Scouts (Macabebe and Ilocano) were tasked with dealing with the “insurgency” in the San Mateo and Montalban areas in 1900 - 1901. It was the 42nd who received the surrender of Gen. Serio).
I must congratulate you on your efforts. Tracking down Mr. Ocampo is already a great accomplishment. If you want another resource to interview, you might want to track down the descendants of Col. Hermogenes (Menes) Bautista. Col. Bautista (alyas “Bara”) was a native of Marikina who also was a senior officer in Gen. Serio’s command. Their association dates back to their Katipunan days. Who knows…Col Bautista’s descendants might have some more photos to share.
BTW, is this the Lawton monument that you saw at Silangan?
(Sorry, I'm having problems attaching the "Lawton Monument" photo to this reply. May I ask anyone reading this message to send me instructions on how to do it? Thanks!)
Ang inyong lingkod,
Richard Rivera
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Post by Macky Hosalla on Apr 27, 2008 8:38:10 GMT -5
To:G. Rivera,
Marami pong salamat sa mga impormasyong inyong ibinahagi sa akin. Nakakamangha! ang mga aklat na ito ang matagal ko nang hinahanap.
Way back in 1984, may nabasa akong article tungkol sa mga Tiradores di ko lang matandaan kung saan(Parang sa aklat ni Richard Sheridan:The Filipino Martyrs o sa manual ng kapatid ko na nagmula sa pinuntahan niyang seminar sa history)sinasabing may hakahaka nga daw na ang nagturo sa mga tiradores ay isang mersinaryong Briton.
Hinanap ko ang source ng article na ito, hindi ko makita(Maliban nga ngayon ng ipaalam ninyo sa akin kung saan ito mababasa)Imagine ilang taon na rin ang nakakaraan.
Ang tangi kong pinanghahawakang material tungkol sa Puting Europeong ito na sinasabing nagturo sa mga tiradores ni Hen. Cerio sa ngayon ay ang Tala ni G. Dan Dizon sa kanyang Paintings ng Tiradores De la Muerte.
Malayo na ang inyong mga research tungkol sa magiting na Heneral(Gen. Cerio)tiyak na matutulungan ninyo ako. Nag sasaliksik ako ngayon sa battlefield ng san mateo, maaari ko bang ikunsulta sa inyo ang ilan kong mga findings.
Haka-haka(hypothesis)ang pamamaraan ko, subalit hinahanapan ko ito ng mga datos(facts)sa field at ilang source sa mga aklatan para mabuo ako ang isang teorya. Mahirap po kasi blangko ang kasaysayan pag dating kay Hen. Cerio at sa Battle of san mateo.
Sa ngayon ay may idea na ako kung gaano nga siya kahusay na Heneral. Imagine, alam niya kung saan susulpot si Hen. Lawton.(Batay ito sa mga artikulong nagsasabing sila ay handa nasa ambush position at nakapagprepara ng mga trenserya sa lugar na kung saan eksaktong lumitaw si Hen. Lawton.)Papaano nalaman ni Hen. Cerio na sa Barrio Silangan nga lilitaw si Hen. Lawton at nakapagpagawa pa siya ng mga trenserya?Nakakamangha ano po?
May mga idea na rin ako kung saan sila naka puesto at kung saan banda ipinutok ang killer bullet na pumatay kay Hen. Lawton.
Nagkaroon din ako ng pagkakataong mahanap ang mga kamag-anak ni Bonifacio Mariano ang sinasabing Tiradores na nakapatay kay Hen. Lawton.(May ibang version sila ng mga pangyayari)
Baka matulungan ninyo ako. kung interesado kayo maaari ninyo akong ma-contact sa email add na ito sumaquel@yahoo.com at ipadadala ko sa inyo ang mga larawan at mga analisis ko sa battlefield ng san mateo.
My english is very poor, kaya paumanhin po kung gumagamit ako ng tagalog sa pagsusulat, nai-express ko po kasi ng maayos ang aking kaisipan kung gagamitin ko ang wika. Sa mga kaibigan nating Fil-Am sa forum na ito paumanhin po ang aking hinihingi.
Ang inyong lingkod,
G. Hosalla
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Post by Richard Rivera on Apr 27, 2008 22:48:56 GMT -5
I must confess that I am no expert on the subject matter; but I will do my very best to assist you in your research. Hopefully a clearer picture of the battle will emerge in the course our exchanges of ideas and materials. Please do send the materials you want me to look over.
I must say that I’m very impressed that you were able to track down the rifleman that is credited (by the locals) with firing the shot that felled Maj. Gen Lawton. You know, my lolo and lola’s backyard faces the San Mateo River (now known as the Marikina River). Their front yard faces B. Mariano St. Growing up there I never found out what the “B” stood for. “Bonifacio” pala! I am very curious as to the Mariano family’s version of the events of 12/19/1899. Did he survive the battle/war? An account of an American soldier who supposedly participated in the battle claims that he (B. Mariano) did not. Please do send your info.
I am also very intrigued with this foreign mercenary that supposedly helped in training Geronimo’s “La Tiradores de Muerte”. Was he an Englishman, Japanese, or a Black American? Col James Parker – who led an assault on San Mateo in August of 1899 claims it was an Englishman known only as “McDonald”. While US Army reports contained in the volumes titled: Annual Reports of the Secretary of War” mentions a Japanese national known to the Americans as “Tomvilla”. Another source (website), about the origins of boxing in the Philippines, mentions the presence of a deserter from the US 24th Infantry (popularly known as the Buffalo Soldiers) in San Mateo during that time. So this foreigner in Geronimo’s command - was he an Englishman, Japanese, or American? Hopefully we can clear this up.
BTW, I don’t mind reading text in Pilipino. In fact, I enjoy it because I need the practice! Also, you may call me by my given name: “Richard” (or my Tagalog nickname “Chard!”). Masyadong yatang pormal kung “Ginoong Rivera” : )
Salamat!
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Post by VeeVee on Apr 28, 2008 4:21:19 GMT -5
(Sorry, I'm having problems attaching the "Lawton Monument" photo to this reply. May I ask anyone reading this message to send me instructions on how to do it? Thanks!) Hi Richard, It would help if you register as a user in the forum instead of posting as an anonymous guest. I can then send you a PM (private message) or an email with instructions on how to post pictures. Salamat. -victor
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Post by Taga-ilog on Apr 28, 2008 10:55:28 GMT -5
Hi Richard, It would help if you register as a user in the forum instead of posting as an anonymous guest. I can then send you a PM (private message) or an email with instructions on how to post pictures. Salamat. -victor done. salamat din. - richard
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Post by dimasalang on Apr 28, 2008 19:33:21 GMT -5
Hi Richard,
I find it interesting that you are just like me...living Stateside and trying to do research on our history, especially areas in regards to Licerio Geronimo. And I know exactly what you mean and how tough it is for us to gather information...nearly all are just strictly from the American side, which is not well documented to begin with. I find it funny also that we are thumbing through the same books and areas. I have Santiago Alvarez's book, I have read through the section of "Forth-Second Foot" which has the newspaper article on the surrender of Gen. Geronimo and his men, and I have spent countless hours reading through hundreds and hundreds of pages in the Annual Reports of the US Secretary of War dating from 1899 all the way up to 1914...some of the reports are no longer available on google.books but I saved most of them on pdf. I have contacted Mr. Hosalla a few times via email in regards to Gen Geronimo. I would like to collaborate with you also on this particular subject if you do not mind. My email is Dimasalang45@gmail.com. Maybe we can all put our heads together and piece something together. Hope to hear from you.
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Post by Taga-ilog on Apr 29, 2008 2:23:11 GMT -5
I would like to collaborate with you also on this particular subject if you do not mind. My email is Dimasalang45@gmail.com. Maybe we can all put our heads together and piece something together. Hope to hear from you. Dimasalang, You got it! Richard
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Post by insurrectomad on Mar 22, 2009 11:20:37 GMT -5
I posted a reply on an other thread some weeks ago about photos of "Cerio". So-far I have located 2. one with Eddy Ocampo. The Other is in the Geroimo Bereguer de los Reyes Jr. Museum (Gateway Prop Holdings Inc) or www.gbrmuseum.com.phr fax 046-433-0129 Curator=Mr Romo Caparos. This photo is 1m x1.5m in size! as are the others of leading personalities of the conflict from 1896-1904. Geronomo is photographed in 1904 wearing a gray Homburg felt hat short "Bum-freezer jacket, cumberband around his waist and short trousers to show off his white spats. Thev shot is taken I think from a kneeling position as Cerio stands like a prize-fighter with clenched fists at his sides a a haughty glowering stare to camera. His shoulders are are back, chest out, looking at least 20yrs younger than the first pic. I spoke we Mr. Caparos 3 wks ago and he repeated that i could not take a photo in the museum and made no suggestion about posting me one either. BUT I can make sketches etc of any of the photos there! I have met And spoken to Daniel Dizon about going there from Here in Angeles Pampanga to do just that. Danny is a little frailer these days and may not be up to the journey and stopping overnight in Gen. Trias Cavite. I Plan to go there before the end of May. I have Emailed my watercolour pic copied from Eddy Ocampo's photo that he donated to Marikina Junior School. which hangs in the Head teachers office. The nephew of my daughter's Ninong was a pupil there and sent me the photo. this picture displays only the upper half of the Gen"s body ( it was 2 yrs later I got a xerox print of the full picture. I hope to paint in oils a portrait of him in uniform but appearing more like the 2nd photo. VeeVee should have got my E-mailed watercol. pic by now & my post it on this web. Insurrectomad.
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Post by VeeVee on Mar 23, 2009 22:23:20 GMT -5
Hi David, I got your pictures... but I'm beat and tired from a long day. I'll post them tomorrow. Thanks for sending them in. -victor
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