Carlos
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A Subic Bay Sailor served, visiting, living and exploring in Subic Bay and other places
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Post by Carlos on Aug 4, 2011 16:00:48 GMT -5
This is a resurrected thread. The previous link thru Kodak Image Sharing was dead because they don’t allow posting links on bulletin boards etc anymore. That was a great disappointment and let down. So now these images are being shifted to other accounts. In 2007 Nov. the 8th I walked up Mt. Samat and took many pictures. I divided them into three albums, this is the biggest one. The other two albums will follow. This album is mostly about plaques, descriptions, marble murals, gun displays and general scenery of the museum level. They are in great detail. The actual museum was closed and it is not allowed to take pictures in there anyway. Here are 126 images: s74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/PI-Sailor/Manila%20Bay%20Forts-Other/Bataan%20Defense/Mount%20Samat/07-11-08%20Samat%20Museum%20Level/ Here are some smaller sample images: The Entrance The Google Map The Cross The Structure with the Museum 2nd Regular Division One of the many Marble Murals The Museum Level A Gun Display
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Carlos
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Post by Carlos on Aug 5, 2011 6:35:23 GMT -5
This is the 2nd album out of three. It is all about how the access road to the shrine looks like and some of the interesting sights along the way. In 2007 Nov. the 8th I walked up Mt. Samat and took many pictures. I divided them into three albums, this is the second one, has 90 images, and only deals with the walk. s74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/PI-Sailor/Manila%20Bay%20Forts-Other/Bataan%20Defense/Mount%20Samat/07-11-08%20Mt-Samat%20Walk/ Here are some smaller sample images: A VIP house on the Mt. Samat slopes. The Knights of Columbus planted trees. At this km stone is a short-cut to the top. A Landmark for the Outstanding Engineering Work of the Shrine A memorial to the Fallen Road Maintenance Workers. The abandoned house of President Marcos. A Japanese Memorial Marker.
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Post by VeeVee on Aug 6, 2011 8:44:05 GMT -5
Thanks for re-posting with the active photo links Karl.
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Post by oklahoma on Aug 6, 2011 12:56:44 GMT -5
Hey Vic, Karl....Maybe I am just an old, bigoted fogey, but I find the Japanese memorial marker at Mount Samat "out of place" as I do the one/ones on Corregidor. If I were Japanese I would feel the same way if there was some type monument located in Central Tokyo dedicated to "downed crewmen of American B-29 "firebombers" who devastated the larger Japanese cities back in 1945. How would some Japanese react to a replica of the Enola Gay being situated on the front lawn of the Hiroshima City Hall. Maybe it's just me, but certain things belong in certain places, methinks.
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Carlos
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Post by Carlos on Aug 7, 2011 5:41:04 GMT -5
I wonder if German veterans would like to place some memorial markers on Russian soil or Polish soil how that would get received.
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Carlos
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Post by Carlos on Aug 7, 2011 5:46:14 GMT -5
This is the 3rd album and shows the cross, the cross level, views, area around the cross. I took pictures of all the murals around the base of the cross. The elevator was not open but that was not in my plan to go up there anyway. This album has 56 images: s74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/PI-Sailor/Manila%20Bay%20Forts-Other/Bataan%20Defense/Mount%20Samat/07-11-08%20Samat%20Cross-level/ Here are some sample small images Looking down on the museum level from the zig-zag path up to the cross level. The base is capped with sculptural slabs and reliefs depicting important historical figures The dedication plaque for the Shrine of Valor The Cross of the Shrine of Valor The last km stone to the Shrine of Valor located on Mt. Samat.
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Post by frank on Aug 7, 2011 19:52:18 GMT -5
Thanks for re posting your pictures and links.
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Post by insurrectomad on Oct 25, 2011 1:38:11 GMT -5
If only the shrine could look that good again! it seems to be falling apart now, with little or no maintenance other than the annual quick lick of paint prior to the presidents visit each year. sculptures have fallen from the cross and some of the marble plaques around the museum depicting battles, regts. and corps. have fallen to be just placed against the wall in broken pieces. I just wonder how long they can maintain the elevator and structure of the cross.
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Post by insurrectomad on Oct 25, 2011 1:41:54 GMT -5
P.s. to the last message. A smart move would be to get Japanese funding and sponsorship for the shrines upkeep; the money will not come from anywhere else!
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Post by VeeVee on Oct 25, 2011 11:17:09 GMT -5
Unless there's a continuous effort by a non-profit group to raise money for its upkeep. Private non-profit money is the key.
Even in the US, many private groups raise the funds for the upkeep of various historical places and items. One example is the USS Olympia whose funding has been in trouble in the last couple of years.
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Post by oklahoma on Oct 26, 2011 10:23:00 GMT -5
Hey Vic....I have always marveled at how governments can always seem to find the funds to expend on frivolous programs/projects (study of sex life of bumble bees,etc ) but resources are always lagging for such things as upkeep of museums, monuments, cemeteries, etc. I guess I am just too old and stupid to fathom such things. Cheers.
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Post by Hers on Oct 27, 2011 5:57:35 GMT -5
True.....so sad....and sayang talaga.....to think we spend 2billionUSD for Bataan Nuclear power plant for nothing but cannot spare fund for the preservation of our museums, memorials and other marker of major battle sites in our country. Nakakalungkot talaga. Salamat sa Pinoy history......for their part in raising the historical interests of our people.
Mabuhay ang mga Bataan Veterans!
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Post by Bruce in Iloilo on Mar 25, 2012 10:36:32 GMT -5
Whomever is in charge of the Mt. Samat site should be fired, or at least severely reprimanded.
Most people are like me. They might only have one opportunity to visit an historical site. When we finally get the opportunity to visit, we expect the site to be open. My opportunity came on Thursday, March 24, 2012, and majority of the Colonnade was closed. Why? Because they decided to paint ALL the concrete ON THE SAME DAY.
Why do it all at once? What were they thinking? Clearly they were not thinking about the visitors. The head should be fired.
They could have done it in parts. A third the first day, a third the second and a third the last day. Why didn't they? What were they thinking? Clearly they were not thinking about the visitors. The head should be fired.
It doesn't need to be painted for several days. Why do it all at once, now? What were they thinking? Clearly they were not thinking about the visitors. The head should be fired.
In the 45 minutes that we were there, I saw about 100 others, including two buses of students. Most, like us, will never have the chance to ever go back. Most, like us, will never feel the full power of the memorial because the Colonnade was walled off. We could only see it from the back. What were they thinking? Clearly they were not thinking about the visitors. The head should be fired.
It was flat-out appalling. Indefensible. Rude. Inconsiderate. Shall I go on?
Somebody needs to be fired. Such utter, inexcusable incompetence needs to be held to account. Discipline must be enforced Clearly the bureaucrat is charge does not care about visitors nor about history. They do not care about the heroes of Bataan They only care about making themselves look good to the other government authorities, to kissing the asses of those higher up. Sad.
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Post by insurrectomad on Apr 3, 2012 22:24:19 GMT -5
It is my understanding, that The whole Shrine complex is under the Phil. Army control and has an army Commandant that has zero interest in tourists, tourism or doing anything but the bare essential tasks ordered by the authorities to maintain it. I have seen no improvements to anything, not even the toilets, in 20 years. The army will not entertain any duties to civilian bodies, groups or societies that would improve things. No one has been appointed or invited to offer assistance or to give advice on how to improve the site. The entance fee for tourists has remained the same for years at P30, for example. Improvements to the toilets could be financed by selling bars of soap with a commemorative design, logo or image on them. Commemorative hand towels and a sign telling visitors that the money is to pay for the improvements. The Souvenir "shop' is a tiny enclosed stall measuring 4ft x 3ft approx! It does not sell toy soldiers, toy tanks or wooden toy guns, Replica WW2 Army helmets (US or Jap) or of the Phil. Ganet helmet. All could be made in paper-mache or Fiberglass. These are just my suggestions. I have even suggested to some senior army officers that these could be made by companies given a license to do so by the Army in return for a percentage going towards the Army Widows Fund. Response?--nothing! It is not for nothing that most successful enterprises in the Phils are run by the Chinese & Koreans.
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Post by labrador on Apr 4, 2012 6:41:30 GMT -5
Lets buy stall space at the base of the mt samat road. how's that for a fund raiser. then we could tie up with the hero foundation and fund one of our army orphans.
I can dream can't i?
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