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Post by batangueno on Jan 16, 2011 16:17:52 GMT -5
Hi all, Great to see so many knowledgeable people posting on this forum. Already read some of the other uniform posts in this sub-forum. I have a few questions about Gregorio del Pilar's uniform as it's shown in this picture (since I'm thinking of getting a reproduction made): upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Pilar23.jpg1. What exactly is on the shoulderboards? I presume it in some way signifies his rank (Brig Gen)? 2. Likewise for the cuffs - although you can't see it in this picture, in color movie/documentary portrayals of him I see something like three golden lines on the cuffs? 3. In the picture you can vaguely make out some kind of cord encircling his right hand - I think I saw that in e.g. paintings of Aguinaldo also? 4. The hat lying on the grass, is that normally one which he would wear? If so, what kind is it? Thanks in advance!
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Post by indiosbravos on Jan 16, 2011 18:29:32 GMT -5
Hi PM pedroscollection here.
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Post by VeeVee on Jan 17, 2011 8:24:46 GMT -5
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Post by 79thfoot on Feb 7, 2011 5:57:58 GMT -5
Hi Batangueno Here's my 2 cents worth... 1 - Please refer to the link VeeVee sent you re the shoulderboards. Yes it does signify his rank. 2. As far as I know there's no "cuff rings" or "cuff ranks" on a Filipino revolutionary army officer's uniform. The old Spanish army had chevrons for non-coms but that's about it. As indicated by the chart linked by VeeVee, the only other sleeve ranks would be sergeants and corporal's chevrons. Please please PLEASE do NOT take the documentaries as 'gospel truth'. A lot of the documentaries, particularly the more popular made for TV stuff are full of you-know-what particularly regarding uniforms. 3. The cord that you see in the famous Del Pilar photo is a pistol lanyard which was apparently worn around the neck (you can just make it out around Del Pilar's neck and you can just make out the pistol at his right hip). The sword and pistol were worn suspended from a trouser belt and the rayadillo had a special opening on either side for each - which is why it looks the pistol is hanging from nothing! 4. The hat on the ground is one possible option for an officer's hat. Another one would be the white Revolutionary officer's cap which looks similar to the Pershing Cap. historicaltextarchive.com/images/piopilar.jpgYet another option would be a white 'ballcap' type, as worn by Aguinaldo in some photos: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Gen_Aguinaldo.jpgand note the other officer, dismounted with pistol and saber, here in del Pilar's brigade: philippine-revolution.110mb.com/pictures/luna2.jpgA quick note also - Buhay Ng Kasaysayan seems to have discovered that at Tirad Pass, Gregorio del Pilar wasn't wearing the more famous rayadillo but rather a khaki uniform of similar cut. Just food for thought! Best of luck with the uniform!! Tom
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Post by batangueno on May 28, 2011 3:49:22 GMT -5
Thanks very much for your help I may be going to Manila in December so can anyone recommend tailors who specialize in reproductions like the one I mentioned in this thread? Thanks again!
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Post by pedroscollection on Jun 3, 2011 9:29:34 GMT -5
Hi Batangueno;
I'm Pedro Javier, or Perry. Regarding your question on Del Pilar's uniform, here's my inputs :
> Yes, as what Tom had mentioned, I read on "Taylor"s book that Del Pilar is wearing Khaki during his last battle at Tirad pass. Khaki started to become popular in the Philippines in 1899 replacing the Rayadillo. I saw a book "Kasaysayan - History of the Filipino People", Del Pilar talking with American Officers wearing a darker uniform than Rayadillo, but not to dark as dark blue & mostly its colored khaki.
> The rope on his body is a lineyard which connects the pistol grip of the pistol & the other end connected to the neck of the wearer, like the whistle of a referee or coach. I haven't watch yet the film of Del Pilar as Romnick Sarmienta as the actor, but my friends told me that the propsmen did not know what is the lineyard & made it a Rosary placed on Romnick's neck in the film he-he.
> His shoulder rank shows a sun on the middle meaning general & 1 silver bar on the edge showing a Brig. gen.
> Pants of Del Pilar can be blue for infantry as shown on the linik VeeVee provided, although there are no 2 yellow stripes. The book "Vision of the Possible" mentioned that based from interviews, people of that time saw Philippine Revolutionary officers wear different colors of pants, some blue, some gray, some black, some white (which is used as gala uniform). You may refer to the link above given by VeeVee. Note that even though there was already a regulations in the uniform made by Gen. Luna, since resources are scarce,... many officers deviate from the ideal uniform. Like for example, the collar pins, even Heroes & Gen. of the Phil. Revol. very seldom wear collar pins of their unit. I saw some lower ranking officers photo with pins, but majority do not have one, due to scarcity.
> Naturally, officers or even enlistedmen does not only have 1 set of uniforms. Thus,... you'll see in different photos Del Pilar or other Heroes used to wear different uniform.
> So if you want to have a uniform of Del Pilar, I can help you. You can e-mail me at pjavi@amkor.com. I had posted some accurate variations of uniform designs in my facebook at pedrosmilitaria@yahoo.com. Its us to you if you want a Khaki or Rayadillo. Both are correct. But take note of the design or cut of the uniform.
> I'm so sorry, I only seldom had an access in this forum, since my company already prohibits it & blocks all sites that are not work related hu-hu-hu. So you can reach me at pjavi@amkor.com.
Mabuhay; Perry
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Post by crgkawit on Jun 14, 2011 16:13:59 GMT -5
Does anybody know where we can get an authentic looking rayadillo uniform like Ge. Aguinaldo wore?
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