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Post by RayAdillO on Jan 7, 2010 2:40:36 GMT -5
Well, I guess best way to go is for those who have the Type A or those who might order the uniform to wear it if they so wish.
The advantages of the type A are:
1) You dont need canteens, webbing, suspenders, gas mask bag, etc. One pistol belt, or ammo belt, or even one brown leather belt will do.
2) Those who will come in the Type A uniform can "share" their webbings and other battlefield kit to those who will come in battledress order.
Other items like broadie helmets and olive drab wollen shirts can be shared, as the Type A uniform is normally worn with the felt campaign hat.
But yes, I get the idea that that the Type A uniform may clash with the formal functions of the offically assigned AFP honor guards. Being reenactors, we are supposed to be guest who are provided an opportunity at the site to honor the war dead like any paramilitary or civic organization, altough be it a highly specialized and unique role.
And I said, for the type A to work as the "uniform of the day", everybody has to have it, complete with all the insignias which will be very difficult to manage. Those with the latter style Type A can pass off as officers but not everybody can be officers nor should officers outnumber enlistedmen reenactors.
Right now, I wonder if there will be any formally arranged accomodations at all for April 9, little things like transport, gas allowance, free lunch and/or merienda. I don't even know if there is actually a scheduled formal ceremony at Mt. Samat for 2010, let alone who the VIP will be if any. Though I hope not, we must assume that it will be a very spartan and slapdash affair with little or no official support. An attendance of a dozen reenactors would probabaly be a highly "optimistic" estimate.
My own view is that if there is "not much official support", I'd prefer to hold some kind of ceremony at some monument in the middle of Manila, (ex. The "modernistic" MacArthur monument just in front of the University of Manila in intramuros), a place full of people, college students and passersby, perhaps even tourists. At least that would generate a maximum amount of public curiosity. The kind of "incident" I like is one that provokes a consciousness similar in magnitude to what these Japanese reenactors do at the yasukuni shrine, despite their small number.... ;D
Come what may, I'm sure we can still give 'em a hell of a show. ;D
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Post by bulikiti2 on Jan 7, 2010 4:01:19 GMT -5
Maybe before we decide on this, lets get in touch with the organizers whether we will be allowed to participate and ascertain the role we will play as PS reenactors. If not, we can still go there in our private capacity to honor and commemorate the event, wear our uniform and do another photoshoot ;D ;D ;D just like what we did in Corregidor
Mcshine
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Post by VeeVee on Jan 7, 2010 10:24:50 GMT -5
I agree with all of you... let's see first if there's an opportunity on April 9th. There will definitely be something at Mt Samat. They hold a ceremony there every year. Usually with the US and Japanese ambassadors present.
I agree with Ray that for the Class A's to work, everyone should be wearing it uniformly.
Ray, are you and Teddy going to be home around that time? There's nothing much the reenactors can offer as part of the program except maybe if Teddy can play the bugle not only to honor your dad as much as all the vets who will be present. It could be a short token performance for the reenactors to go on stage for a salute and a Taps bugle playing to remember all the fallen or something.
That's all that needs to be done, nothing fancy. Then try to survive all the requests for photos afterwards.
Do that and you'd have accomplished a lot more than you have hoped for all these years. It would be quite an honor. It would be our most meaningful event. We may even be invited back the following year, who knows.
What do you say Ray, is Teddy able to do a bugle playing? If we can reasonably say with certainty that we can put up a participation, I will ask my mom to talk to Tet Garcia, the governor of Bataan. He and his wife are good friends wiht our family. Maybe something can be arranged through that connection.
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Post by pedroscollection on Jan 8, 2010 4:01:05 GMT -5
Friends;
For this time, pls. send all your brainstorm ideas. Col. Resty told me he will support for the Apr 9 event. Ask me to submit a proposal kung anong presentation or any thing na gustong gawin ng BNK / PSHS sa Apr 9. Sabi ko sa kanya, tapusin ko lang yung Jan16 lecture & start ko communications namin in preparation. Habang wala pa yung Jan 16, pls. send me all ideas, collect natin & brainstorm natin para makagawa tayo ng magandang proposal kay Col. Resty.
Few of the proposed pieces of presenation na nabanggit na natin (not final) ay : 1. color guards 2. honor guards 3. Presentation ng uniform. A short presentation that all variation of uniforms will be discussed in front for the audience to appreciate & learn the different uniforms of Filipinos in WWII 4. Inclusion of playing the taps using bugle by Teddy Ortega. 5. Singing of Phil. National Anthem in English Version, after that, the Singing of our anthem in Filipino Version. Purpose is - pagbalik tanaw ng kasaysayan. This is better kung may WWII Color Guards aside sa AFP color guards to represent the past (WWII) & the present. Similar on what we did in the AFP museum singing of Nat'l anthem in 3 versions (Spanish, English & Filipino).
6. A portion on the area na lahat ng reenactors naka tayo (with proper distances) to accomodate photo ops to the people there, syempre for free. Dun lalapit ang mga tao & inter-act with us & have fun & learn about history.
Pls. add some more.
Mabuhay; Perry
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Post by RayAdillO on Jan 8, 2010 4:36:06 GMT -5
Well so far, very good. I think we have settled two principle issues:
1) Yes we will do something on April 9, 2010
2) We will do it at the Mt. Samat memorial (and environs). If there is an official ceremony, we will try to join it. If for some reason we can't, we'll will just go on with our photo shoot, no problem.
3) We will be there to pay personal hommage and do a nice photo shoot, wearing our chosen uniforms suitable for late 1930s pre-war commonwealth era through early war December 8, 1941 through April 1942 Bataan-Corregidor Philippine Defense Campaign theme.
4) We will follow up on Vic's suggestion of official recognition of participation from the governor of Bataan, as per consultation with Col. Resty Aguilar and the AFP after Perry's January 16th historical lectures.
5) Yes Teddy will be there with me and Manny, Teddy can play the bugler.
My Questions:
1) Will we allow Japanese reenactor participation? I have a set of Japanese uniforms and equipment good for 4 Japanese soldiers (3 enlisted, 1 officer, plus 1 rising sun flag? THIS I WANT IF IT'S OK WITH ALL OF YOU.
If okay, maybe Vic or Guy can contact Dan Dizon if his Japanese reenactor friends, (I had a photo of them in uniform somewhere), would like come over also on April 9 to participate?
2) Will we allow 1944 Liberation and guerrilla reenactor impressions? (steel pot helmets, green fatigues, etc.) I PREFER NOT.
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Post by bulikiti2 on Jan 8, 2010 9:23:51 GMT -5
I agree. This should be a Pre WWII or early WWII impressions only.
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Post by legionnaire on Jan 8, 2010 9:35:27 GMT -5
The Bataan solemn commemoration for who it really was meant for. The USAFFE soldiers who sacrificed for the Philippines. Maybe after the ceremony or the next day we can have a Japanese representation for display purposes. They should not be part of the solemn ceremony and monument was built to commemorate the gallant defenders of Bataan first and foremost.
Having the representation of "foreign invaders" take part in the ceremonies is asking for a LOT of FLAK especially from the local and US PRESS just like that brilliant erecting of the kamikazi statue. And this is the last thing we need from the press to promote reenacting on a very official debut we plan to participate in.
It's like having Wermacht reenactors attend the official ceremonies on D-Day which will not be allowed on French soil.
Philip
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Post by legionnaire on Jan 9, 2010 9:43:50 GMT -5
Philippine Scouts Living History Company, Fort McKinley, Manila Chapter, 2nd January 2010, Corregidor l to r : Ramon Macasinag ( chapter Pres.), Dino Montenegro (BAR gunner), Philip Garcia (adviser), Jojo Nicolas (chapter treasurer), Pedro Javier (chapter secretary) , M Sgt. Alvin Alfonso, Dennis Nicolas. photos courtesy of Ernie Penas
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Post by bulikiti2 on Jan 9, 2010 9:53:27 GMT -5
Wow! This is poster quality..
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Post by jnmodeller on Jan 10, 2010 0:50:36 GMT -5
nice work ...its poster quality
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Post by RayAdillO on Jan 10, 2010 2:55:04 GMT -5
Having the representation of "foreign invaders" take part in the ceremonies is asking for a LOT of FLAK especially from the local and US PRESS just like that brilliant erecting of the kamikazi statue. And this is the last thing we need from the press to promote reenacting on a very official debut we plan to participate in. It's like having Wermacht reenactors attend the official ceremonies on D-Day which will not be allowed on French soil. Philip Very well then, maybe we can allow them one "ash box" carried by a half naked geisha during the ceremonies, if ever.
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Post by legionnaire on Jan 10, 2010 4:11:36 GMT -5
PSLHC, Fort McKinley Manila Chapter, 30th Dec., 2009 l to r: Richard Paz, Perry Javier, Eric Nicolas, Philip Garcia, Jojo Nicolas original photo courtesy of Albert Labrador
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Post by jnmodeller on Jan 10, 2010 6:04:37 GMT -5
Philip! wow.....wow , perfect choice of back ground.
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Post by labrador on Jan 10, 2010 8:52:26 GMT -5
Amazing work, Philip. I'd love to get a high res file of the last one to print out and frame. Excellent excellent stuff!
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Post by Sandata on Jan 10, 2010 10:30:40 GMT -5
Friends; 6. Ito yung mga variation ng uniforms na pwede nating gawin : 6.1 Combat uniform PS Infantry (all khaki) in doughboy 6.2 Combat uniform PS 26th Cav in doughboy & high laced boots 6.3 PA in combat gear in shorts leaves & short pants, & Guinit 6.4 PA 1st Regiment in Dungaree with leggings & Guinit 6.5 PS Artillery in Dungaree & doughboy 6.6 Type A Moro PS in Puttees & Tubao 6.7 Type A PS officer with Sambrown belt, saber sword & leather leggings & Campaign hat or doughboy (common pa until today kasi ang Campaign hat) 6.8 Type A PA in puttees & Guinit Mabuhay; Perry Perry, I don't have a complete set of either Philippine Scouts or Philippine Commonwealth Army uniform yet even though I'll try my best to assemble it. Meanwhile, I have a US Navy enlisted man's blue woolen sweater with sailor's collar. Because Filipinos also served in the US Navy, I'm wondering if that kind of outfit can be included in the list if completed with suitable military gear and accessories (type of shoes, pants, belts/harness, headgear, insignia, etc. Can somebody please help me research the other gear that would be worn by a Navy sailor who is assigned to on-shore or shipboard duties in Bataan/Corregidor? I don't have the resources for that yet but getting the list of possible items is a great start. I'm thinking of reenacting a Filipino US Navy crewman on a ferry or small patrol boat plying the waters off Bataan and in or around Manila Bay. What do you guys think? For those coming over from the USA for April 9th, please get 2 sets of US Army enlisted man's bronze collar pins and branch insignia, along with specialty badges. I'm thinking of having a khaki Philippine Scouts uniform, whether Class A or field type, made by Jhunrey in the next month or so. Please email the price of the pins to me and I'll reimburse you when you get here. If there are meetings that need to be done in Manila with the organizers of the Mt. Samat event, I could attend those if they're held on weekday afternoons after I get off work. Please forward details of these meetings and contact lists to my email address (selwyn_alojipan@yahoo.com) and cellphone (+63-918-9259290). Wow, those photos are really great! Congratulations to those who made the reenactments a successful photoshoot! Selwyn Clyde M. Alojipan
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Post by legionnaire on Jan 24, 2010 3:45:48 GMT -5
12 inch gun, Battery Crockett This gun emplacement was initially constructed in 1905 and was completed in 1908 at a cost of $290,049. It was one of the six "disappearing" gun batteries that formed the interlocking field of fire which totally encircled the island. The battery was armed with two 12-inch seacost guns mounted on disappearing carriages behind a concrete parapet. Its range was 17,000 yards and was capable of 170-degree traverse with overlapping fields or a total of 220 degrees coverage for the battery. The design of this battery was very similar to Battery Cheney and Battery Wheeler. It was located centrally on the island and firing basically south across the major southern channel into Manila Bay.
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Post by indiosbravos on Jan 24, 2010 9:24:52 GMT -5
This is the Picture that got praises from other forum courtesy of Victor....
I'll let Vic tell you about it.
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Post by RayAdillO on Jan 24, 2010 9:33:39 GMT -5
VeeVee, maybe you can post that website where we can read the reactions from the Battery Grubs photo?
Here's its little cousin back in San Francisco.........
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Post by VeeVee on Jan 24, 2010 10:07:55 GMT -5
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Post by seabeepo3 on Jan 25, 2010 4:24:00 GMT -5
I really love these photos, guys. Really proud that Filipinos were able to portray WW2 Filipinos in the Philippines! And in a really great way, too! Looking forward to seeing more photos from your events. My friends and I love early war stuff and we often feel that the fight in the Philippines is overshadowed by the events at Pearl Harbor, Normandy, the Bulge, and Iwo Jima.
Keep up the great work! There's a lot of vets still over there that can still enjoy the honor and recognition you are giving them. I wish I had the money to come out and be a part of one of your shoots and displays!
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