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Post by DAN BULAKENO on Aug 27, 2009 23:08:21 GMT -5
hi! guys, i was cheking good books at the national book store yesterday. i saw a good one its title " Loyal Macabebes " author dennis edward flake. the book cost 500+php. the interesting about it is that its giving us the side of the macabebe phil scouts and how they are reliable enough to be used by the americans against the revolutionaries and how they were hated by the freedom fighters.  |
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Post by 26th on Aug 27, 2009 23:44:31 GMT -5
Hey Dan:
Thanks for the heads up on that book. It should stirup some stuff with our local boys on the forum.
If they like it or not they were the first Scouts mentioned to serve the US Army and were good at it.
Philip read the book first and let me know>haha
Rudy/26th Cav/ Blood of Scouts
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Post by DAN BULAKENO on Aug 28, 2009 1:24:43 GMT -5
sir rudy, yup no problem. actually theres alot of these books currently on that particular book store. i'll try to scout for more good books.. hoo aaahhh!!!!!!!!!!!.........
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Post by r2ro on Aug 28, 2009 5:29:15 GMT -5
Hello to all Brigada de Filipinas! I found the book very informative and full of information about the early scouts. Highly recommended for reading. According to the book it's General Lawton's Idea to formed a native soldiers/scouts and have Major Batson put it in "motion ". It's part of our family legacy the Lacanlale/Bustos Clan. Mabuhay! See Attachment.
Commander Arturo
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Post by VeeVee on Aug 28, 2009 16:05:29 GMT -5
Posting book for Art. Thanks Art.  |
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Post by rudy on Aug 28, 2009 16:40:25 GMT -5
Man I tell you, that poster make it hard not to believe those Maccabebe were not of Yaqui blood, or to say had some yaqui blood in them. Just in case Disalam is reading this. "maybe"
With those ships coming from Mexico one had to slip by and make the Philippines home.
Rudy
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Post by DAN BULAKENO on Aug 29, 2009 4:11:55 GMT -5
just look at those macabebes faces.....and they are the hunters of the revolucionarios.. did they controlled my beloved province..malolos???
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Post by bulikiti2 on Aug 29, 2009 12:12:02 GMT -5
Aguinaldo was captured with the help of the Macabebes. Are the Macabebes sworn enemies of the Tagalogs  They were exceptionally harsh to captured revolutionaries. Where did this enmity came from? They must be from a diffrent race as Sir Rudy suggested ;D Anyway, this is the early history of the Scouts that bothers me Maybe I should read the book already..............get one for me Dan. I will give you my Guinit Sun Helmet when it arrives from Rayadillo  |
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Post by bulikiti2 on Aug 29, 2009 12:17:57 GMT -5
With all due respect to Sir Arturo for my query...
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Post by VeeVee on Aug 29, 2009 21:09:01 GMT -5
Well they always referred to native troops or paramilitary as "scouts"... even in the old west they had "scout" indians.
The US Army had Macabebe scouts prior to the formation of the Philippine Scouts. I haven't read that book yet but I think they incorporated these original Macabebe scouts (one or two companies?) into the bigger formation of Philippine Scouts. The individual PS units were composed originally of men from the same region or town so that they'd speak a common dialect. So there would be a PS company of Ilocanos and a company of Tagalogs and so on...
The PS were formed somewhat later on. The macabebes were the ones the Americans used first in the Fil-Am war... I have to read up on that area of history though. Some other members of the forum are more steeped in that part of history and will probably put in their 2 cents.
My own interest is the WW2 Philippine Scouts though. Those were all integrated Filipinos from different regions. And while they were paid by the US Army, they fought for all Filipinos' freedom, and the Commonwealth of the Philippines as it stood then.
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Post by indiosbravos on Sept 4, 2009 15:26:21 GMT -5
I'm a Magdiwang and for me Sakay was not Bandoleros... Going back to the topic, this was already debated here ( and flamed ). My PS was that of WW2 the one that fought and died for Philippines , the one with their American counterpart endured, died and survived the death march. That is my "Scouts"...
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Post by Sumaquel on Sept 5, 2009 4:34:37 GMT -5
I think this may partially solve the issue on the Macabebe. I read a book entitled "Manila men in the new world" BY: FLORO l. MERCENE, on page 134 under the subtitle NAMING GUAGUA AND MACABEBE The following Paragraphs are written.
"Rebels or infidentes, those found disloyal to the crown, were shipped on the galleons for exile to the Philippines or the Marianas Islands. One of such exiles was an Indian Yaqui named Nakabeba who was captured in the mountains of Sonora. Bundled on a Galleon with his followers, Nekabeba settled in the area of Macabebe in Pampanga."
It is true then that some Yaqui Indians settled Macabebe Pampanga base on this research, but it is still unclear whether they were the first to populate the said town and whether the name Macabebe were originated from them.
Macky
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Post by dimasalang on Sept 5, 2009 17:55:38 GMT -5
How many times are we going to go over this? haha. This book will be next on my list. For those who have read it...what does it say on the origins of the Macabebes? I still have strong doubt about the Macabebes originating from Yaqui. History doesn't lie, the Macabebes were well known just like the Tagalogs before the Spanish arrived in Luzon. You can all do your own research and draw your own conclusion. Here are two clues for you: Tarik Sulayman, Battle of Bankusay. The Macabebe Scouts were the original Philippine Scouts. When the "Philippine Scouts" were christened, the first two companies were made up of nothing but Macabebes...they were given that honor. And in other words, the PS were spawned from them. Post I wrote in another thread on the formation of the Macabebe Scouts. --- Lieut. Matthew Batson is given credit for the establishment of the Macabebe Scouts in Sept of 1899. Lt Batson first pitched the idea to his friend General Henry Lawton. Gen Lawton was all for a company of native troops, as he had issued this exact same plan during the Indian Wars. Both feeling it was a great idea, Lawton and Batson met with Governor-General Otis for authorization. In Stuart Millers book "Benevolent Assimilation", Gen Otis was fully against the idea of forming a company of natives under his command. Otis felt it was too soon, he could not trust a fully armed company of natives. But Gen Lawton was already a national icon with established "friends" in the government. He went ahead and pitched this idea to Secretary of War Elihu Root. Sec Root then issued a General Order to Gen Otis to develop a company of native scouts. Gen Otis, feeling he was stepped over and still feeling this plan was a very bad idea, rested all organization and all responsibility of the native scouts under Gen Lawton. Much later, with the success of the Macabebe Scouts, Gen Otis would still give criticism in his reports on the native Macabebe scouts. A few months after the formation of the first Macabebe Scouts, Lt Batson was injured and was taken out of action. During this time he wrote his official report on the formation of the Macabebes. Below is the first few pages of the report. The link following is the report in its entirety.     fototime.com/inv/4D4A7D2B989BBFC************** Newspaper article interviewing Batson and the organization of Macabebes and the importance of their first operations.   |
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Post by Sumaquel on Sept 6, 2009 0:31:38 GMT -5
I think its very clear now that we are on the same opinion but we are still arguing about it ;D
San Agustine Gaspar the chronicler of the battle of Bangkusay clearly stated that there was already a native settlement known to them as "Macabebe" in Pampanga, the head of this settlement was Torek Solaiman, he died on that battle. No Yaqui Indian yet at that time, what they have then were visayan warriors from panay island.
The Battle of Bangkusay happens somewhere on May 1571, the arrival of the Yaqui Indians in the Philippine would probably happens somewhere in 1600 to the early 1800.
The elements of time would not agree that the Yaqui Indians were the first settler of Macabebe Pampanga and the name Macabebe derived from them.
Macky
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Post by dimasalang on Sept 6, 2009 15:49:59 GMT -5
 Schwans Macabebe Scouts. Taken in late 1899. The Macabebes did not look that distinctively different from the Natives/Tagalogs. They were used in the capture of Aguinaldo by disguising themselves as soldiers of the 1st Republic. I have strong doubt they would have been able to pull that off if their features were significantly different. |
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Post by dimasalang on Jun 21, 2010 20:08:45 GMT -5
Posting book for Art. Thanks Art. Sorry for bringing this old thread back up. But I have been looking everywhere for the past several months and I can not find this book at all. Can someone please let me know how I can get a copy? |
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Post by indiosbravos on Jun 23, 2010 9:53:02 GMT -5
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Post by r2ro on Jun 23, 2010 13:38:08 GMT -5
In referrence to the book " Loyal Macabebe " check the publisher:
Holy Angel University Press
Sto. Rosario Street, Angeles City
Philippines
Author: Dennis Edward Flake
ISBN No. 978-971-93672-7-7
E-mail: Ukn
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Post by dimasalang on Jun 25, 2010 14:43:35 GMT -5
Thank you very much. Finally! Just placed my order. $18, but with a $16 shipping charge...ouch. ;D |
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They were exceptionally harsh to captured revolutionaries. Where did this enmity came from? They must be from a diffrent race as Sir Rudy suggested ;D
