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Post by paopadd on Jun 20, 2009 18:06:51 GMT -5
Here the image of the personal flag of the "Supremo" Andres Bonifacio; the flag is at the "Museo ng Katipunan" , Barangay Bulaklakan, Lipa City, Batangas.
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Post by insurrectomad on Jun 21, 2009 0:28:34 GMT -5
The sun and letters KKK are smaller in proportion to the flag than I first thought. It looks a little precarious hung as it is; how secure is it in fact?
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Post by paopadd on Jun 21, 2009 15:51:55 GMT -5
The flag is original, it is on the Museo ng Katipunan in Barangay Bulaklakan, Lipa City, Batangas Province; I visited the Museum about 3 years ago ... They told me that Bonifacio given personally the flag to one of the most important members of the Katipunan that later become Chairman of the Association of the Veteranos y hijos de la Revolucion in Lipa Area...
The flag is cotton made (not silk) we know that the first personal flag or banner of the Supremo was silk made but i think this flag is an original copy of the flag made by Gregoria De Jesus in 1896 circa...
The rays are 12 (not indefinite as written in many history books, like Agoncillo's book...)and they have a geometric and stylized shape; the sun is smal and the 3 K too..
If we take a look at many old original Katipunan flags and banners we will discover that the letter K is smallest than in the "modern" replicas of those flags; the measures of the flag are cm. 100 x 150 cm. circa.
Until last year was forbidden to take a picture of the flag because they was thinking if persons have an image of the flag they don't have any kind of reason to go there to visit the museum...!!!!
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Post by paopadd on Jun 23, 2009 9:13:53 GMT -5
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Post by paopadd on Jun 23, 2009 9:15:33 GMT -5
Here another original KKK flag , note the small K on it...
This flag was inside the Aguinaldo Shrine in Kawit, Cavite until 2007; at present the flag is not displayed; we don'yt know the reasons...
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Post by insurrectomad on Jun 23, 2009 11:47:16 GMT -5
Funny you should speak of about the museum official's fear of photos detering visitor. I had the same reaction in Manila when trying to obtain photo or even prints of paintings and Aguinaldo's sword, G. Del Pilar's tunic buttons etc. I wrote to the Director of Phil. Tourism, pointing out that without the ciculating of these images by tourists to all their friends & relations in their respective countries, the World will never know of the existence of the original. I also mentioned that Exhibitions of items like Monets paintings, The Chinese Clay Warriors or Tut's Burial Exhibition in London, each had to be extended by weeks as they attracted millions of visitors snaking 8 wide around the exhibitions 8am -9pm, 7 days a week! There are countless images and replicas to be had, yet this only makes people more keen to see the original! Since then, It is now allowed to take photos inside Ft. Santiago & of Rizal's things. The Painting By Luna "The Salarium" is a classic example, I said "The nation's greatest painting, and completely unknown outside the Phil.! Saw Aguinaldo's 'Toledo" sword in 2001 in it's glass fronted box 'built into the wall in the lower corner of the rm just above floor level. one was forced to kneel down to see it in the gloom as it had no lighting! No photos permitted; which didn't matter much as the glass was'nt very clean and would bounce your light flash anyway! Took photocopies from an old, yellowing out of print book held in San Fernando library to-day. It had to be taken by hand outside the library , along the rd to the rear of the College behind the town hall for to obtain a photocopy of a page. Such is the state of things, the restoration of the Nat. Hist Mus. at Kalaw st. Manila has closed it for over 3 yrs now as they have frozen the budget for completing the job. Thats just how it is here alas.
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Post by VeeVee on Jun 23, 2009 12:04:01 GMT -5
I thought any museum around the world won't let you take pictures. At least the museums I've been to. I've been to at least two museums in the Philippines (Corregidor and the AFP museum) where they allow you to take pictures, which pleasantly surprised me.
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Post by paopadd on Jun 23, 2009 15:05:35 GMT -5
David, thanks a lot for your reply and for your last private e-mail you sent me; anyway, you are right, i'm agree with you at 100%...
Vic, you are right too, in many museums around the world to take pics. is forbidden but in many cases they provide you a good catalog or a book with pics. and infos... In many filipino museums they don't give you neither catalogs nor it's possible to take pics.. (sad to say that ! )
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Post by VeeVee on Jun 23, 2009 15:17:36 GMT -5
I think flash-photography is also forbidden because it does something to the displays... i don't really know.
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Post by agmohio on Jun 30, 2009 13:56:04 GMT -5
Hello Friends,
Thanks for the great photos of these historic and important flags.
Most museums forbid flash photography because, over time, all that high intensity flashing will fade the artifacts, especially textiles. Also, in this day of Internet scams, museums don't want their items showing up as fraudulent auctions on ebay. Can you blame them.
Most professionally managed museums are pleased to work with researchers if you go through the proper channels. You need to know what you want to look at, be specific. You need to have a justifiable reason to examine the item. You don't need to be writing a book, a need to look at construction details for living history reconstruction is generally good enough. Write for an appointment, don't just show up. And you must be patient. It sometimes takes up to a year to get an appointment with some larger institutions.
As most of you know, I am writing a book on Span-Am War uniforms. I have worked with a number of museums and have always been given a warm welcome and every assistance. Museums are most interested in protecting their collections. They need to know that you are just as interested in that, too.
One more thing, it never hurts to have a good personal relationship with your museums. Offer to volunteer for what they need done, not just your own interests. It may be boring to help out with a display on "The Turtles of Luzon" but it may help get your foot in the door for greater things.
Good luck with your research. Keep us all informed on the goodies you find in the museums of the Philippines. I am very anxious to see your treasures.
¡Viva España!
Bill
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Post by dimasalang on Jun 30, 2009 14:28:05 GMT -5
Most of the smaller museums I have been to in the Philippines have let me photograph. It is prohibited but as mentioned above, a good detailed reason to the person in charge will get you your way...if thats not good enough, a " donation" helps.  |
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Post by paopadd on Jun 30, 2009 16:51:25 GMT -5
I gave a "donation " (pera ) for the Museo ng Katipunan but they don't change their opinion, they were like bodyguards , they were closed to me... i was like a prisoner...he he he...! Anyway i prefere to be sincere about my goals when i visit a Musum or private collections..  P.S. Agmohio, when we will see your flag collection here on pinoyhistory ? i know you have got a great flag collection |
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