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Post by RayAdillO on Jun 29, 2009 9:13:57 GMT -5
I heard a version wherein the superpowers of the world feard a power vacuum once Spain left the Philippines. I was told that there were shps off the major Philippine ports from Japan, Germany, United Kingdom and a few more poised for invasion. The Germans wanted to expand its territories which was expanding out to the Marrianas Islands in the Pacific and would probably had taken Guam and the Philippines too. I was told that this became the fear of the Americans thinking that if given indepoendence, the young Filipino government could not defend itself from another invasion by Japan, Germany or the othe colonists in the area at that time. Its still not an excuse to invade the Philippines, but it may have persuaded some government officials or US congress to decide what they did or perhaps sealed the fate of the Philippines. The Germans bought from the Spanish what the Americans left of the Spanish empire in the pacific...The Marianas, the Carolines, etc. This is why there is a "Bismarck Sea" in the Pacific. The German fleet which was anchored just off Manila Bay was even more numerous and powerful than Dewey's own squadron of ships. Had they intervened, Philippine history would have been very different. 1) There was a substantial "Cuban" emigre population in the U.S.-The Philippine independence movement of illustrado emigres were based in mainly in MADRID, or maybe even PARIS, not in WASHINGTON D.C., while they were expert propagandists in the Spanish language, not one was particularly well versed or could effectively propagandize in American English. But you see, no Filipino could have predicted that the U.S. would someday be a major player in future of the Philippines. The illustrado game plan was to enlist the support of Spanish liberal politicians to effect reforms. These efforts actually became even more pronounced as Aguinaldo agreed to end his armed insurrection and go into exile in 1897. Who knows what would have happened if the U.S.S. Maine didn't blow up in Havana harbor in 1898? 2) This "Cuban" emigre' population became very influential among U.S. politicians and newspaper barons.Many of them learned to speak and address crowds in English, which consequently gave them an edge in getting U.S. public opinion on their side. 3) There was a "color bar" strictly enforced in those days of racial segregation. As a general rule, no "responisble" white power can grant political independence to a nation under its ward UNLESS THAT NATION HAD A WHITE MINORITY OF "ELDERS" THAT WILL GOVERN OVER IT. The Cubans had "white leaders" (Jose Marti, Calixto Garcia etc.) as well as "colored leaders" (Antonio Maceo). -The Philippine independence movement only had a few mestizos, the top leadership being asiatics, and almost all were below 30 years old. -Even the anti-imperialist factions in America were not entirely free from using racism as a reason why the U.S. should not annex the Philippines, many of them feared that 11 million or so non-white Filipinos being incorporated as "citizens" would eventually pose a serious challenge to a white dominated American society. 4) The U.S. went to war against Spain under the premise that it did so to "free" the Cuban population against "Spanish barbarism and brutality". This meant that the U.S. had to keep its pledge to the Cubans in helping gain their independence. 5) Puerto Rico and the Philippines were seized by the Americans originally as a "strategic measure". It was reasoned that the revenues from continued Spanish possession of Puerto Rico and the Philippines "helped" the Spanish maintain their hold on Cuba. Unlike the Cubans and Filipinos, the Puerto Ricans did gain autonomy from Spain, although very short lived as the Spanish-American war broke out almost immediately after its first elections. Perhaps they didn't really bother to ressist U.S. annexation in view of their confidence that they could get similar terms under the U.S. peacefully, which they did.
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Post by macky on Jun 29, 2009 10:16:07 GMT -5
I heard a version wherein the superpowers of the world feard a power vacuum once Spain left the Philippines. I was told that there were shps off the major Philippine ports from Japan, Germany, United Kingdom and a few more poised for invasion. The Germans wanted to expand its territories which was expanding out to the Marrianas Islands in the Pacific and would probably had taken Guam and the Philippines too. I was told that this became the fear of the Americans thinking that if given indepoendence, the young Filipino government could not defend itself from another invasion by Japan, Germany or the othe colonists in the area at that time. Its still not an excuse to invade the Philippines, but it may have persuaded some government officials or US congress to decide what they did or perhaps sealed the fate of the Philippines.
Yes Galahad143 that was true, Gen. Antonio Luna the supreme chief of the army at that time realize this. He decided to reorganize the Republican army and make it into a strong and modern army to at least counter this threat.(The Vision of Luna is One Nation, One Army)
Unfortunately, america changes it policies towards us and annexed the island, so Luna devise a plan to prolong the war by contesting every inch of the land and make America bleed for it(The Luna Principle)He intended to make America bleed to much for it so that they change their policy on the island.
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Post by galahad143 on Jun 30, 2009 2:45:21 GMT -5
Thank you for entertaining my curiousity. Here's another question, had the Masonic inspired 1st Republic of the Philippines won or were allowed to self govern, would they have allowed Mindanao to seceed? Would we have a Mindanao-less Philippines? Would Catholicsm remain as the country's religion or would have it been replaced with a more universal church of Masonic leaning? Another question, were the three priests; Gomez, Burgos and Zamora Masons themselves?
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Post by insurrectomad on Jun 30, 2009 4:06:18 GMT -5
The Americans saw little leaway in what choices they had over the Phil. it was the "Great Grab" by western nations all intent upon expanding their empires of containing them. Britain was at almost at its limit of lands & peoples it could control from London, without creating a new governing house that included a greater number representatives from all over the Empire. This was the major problem of Spain. Germany had a far bigger population and was determined to push Britain aside. Both Russia & Japan had their eyes on expansion in the Eastern waters. Britain was already at that time time into conflict and friction with America in Brazil/Brit. Guiana emerald mines, Alaska/Canadian Isles, as well as various small islands between Guam & The Tonga Isles. There was the border dispute in Afganistan to Kashmir borders with Russia ( The Crimean War still fresh in the minds of both governments). a competition between France & Britain to have military control over the buffer state of Siam that lay between Brits. Burma/Indian Empire & French Indochina ( Cambodia , Loas & Vietnam). An independent Phils. was the last thing any major power wanted! The Americans are faced with a similar dilemma in Iraq today. Do you leave a corrupt & divided government to cope with internal strife and interference with a hated neighbouring country licking it's lips & rubbing it's hands on the border or not? Cuba was swiftly given it's independence in addition to the reasons given above, because no other country in the World would try to enter the "Cordon Sanitaire' so close to the USA. History proved that the "States" had control over Cuba from Washington without soldiers or administrators.
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Post by RayAdillO on Jun 30, 2009 7:53:59 GMT -5
... had the Masonic inspired 1st Republic of the Philippines won or were allowed to self govern, would they have allowed Mindanao to seceed? The best symbolic representation of Filipino nationalist ideology circa 1898 can be found in no less than the Philippine flag itself. The three yellow stars mean Luzon, Visayas, and MINDANAO. It was therefore clear from the beginning that the new "nation" would include all lands from within the Philippine archipelago, at least that was the intention. Would Aguinaldo have allowed Mindanao to secede? Not if he could prevent it. I guess Aguinaldo would at first try to convince the muslim population in Mindanao that the Republic of the Philippines was merely taking over the administrative functions left by the Spanish colonial government, that it would merely be a re-establishment of nominal authority in exchange for protections over the different tribal chieftains like the sultan of Sulu. The fact that the Republic was to be a "secular" one, (as insured by Antonio Luna's political maneuvering), at least presented an improvement over the Spanish in that there would be no more forced conversions into catholicism, that's one new idea Aguinaldo can probably sell them for a while. It's difficult to say. Aguinaldo would have probably made no sweeping revolutionary political moves by drastically removing all entrenched priviledges enjoyed by the catholic church. A new regime has to establish a sense of "normalcy and respectablity" especially among the influential classes and the international community. Freemasonry is best enjoyed as a quasi-secret society by it's own membership. It cannot take the place of organized religion, much less a "christian" one. A factor very important in those times was that if Filipinos could be advertised as a "Christian" people, that carried with it a certain "acceptability" among the industrialized western powers. Personally, I think the Philippine independence movement should have just adopted a new name for the country, "Austronesya", a new "Philippine Reformationist-like Christian Church" as the state religion, repudiated all masonic and republican pretensions, established an asiatic style "Austonesian" imperial monarchy with a hereditary emperor as both head of state, head of the "Austronesian Church", and commander-in-chief of the armed forces.
LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR!, MAY HE REIGN A THOUSAND YEARS! ;D No they were not connected with the masons, they were "secular priests", meaning to say they were not members of any Catholic religious order like the Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans etc.
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Post by dimasalang on Jun 30, 2009 12:54:51 GMT -5
My personal opinions on this issue.
Personally, 'Aguinaldos' thoughts on the Southern Moro region should be taken with a grain of salt. Aguinaldo was just a puppet and his policies were actually someone elses ideals. Aguinaldo had no real policies in regards to the overall people of the Philippines. If anything, look to Mabinis writings and his over all government plan. He had a well thought out plan, not just for the Tagalog/Ilocano race or the Moros...he had a huge agenda for the entire Malay race with in the borders of the Philippines. This is just one of the things that impressed the US Generals about Mabini and why they knew him to be the 'brains' behind, not just the war, but the government.
As for a new religion. Aguinaldo or any other political leader belonging to the 1st Republic knew the Catholic system was there to stay...with 90% of the population being Catholic, plus the Moros in the south...it would be pretty dam hard to tell them to switch religions. Which would eventually escalate in to a civil war. Anyways...I guess people forget that the 1st Republic somewhat established their own religion...which was the Iglesia Filipina Independiente (IFI) or 'Philippine Independent Church' established by Gregorio Aglipay and Isabelo de los Reyes. Aglipay was officially excommunicated by the Pope himself. The church would later be renamed the 'Aglipayan Church'.
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Post by Maharlika on Jul 2, 2009 19:20:37 GMT -5
It would seem that there were more conspiracies in Philippine history and government than anywhere else in the world! The US only had a few "may be" conspiracies, the UK had many more, Spain probably killed all conspiracy theorists during the inquisition but man, look at the Philippines, its not even hidden but yet so few see it or do they try to turn a blind eye just like the problems facing the country nowadays?
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Post by scarab on Jul 3, 2009 0:51:08 GMT -5
Hello Gentlemen, Very good observation. Even Rizal during his time realized that too few of us would be able to hold positions and govern without falling prey into corruption. He wrote in his Noli Me Tangere, "what is the use of independence if the slaves of today will be the tyrants of tomorrow?" It was happening during his time, and continues to happen today. The Philippine revolution had a great aim, and a good start, but things happened along the way. It is said that, "power corrupts", but as Abraham Lincoln said, "it is the corruptible that is attracted to power".
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Post by galahad143 on Jul 3, 2009 4:50:39 GMT -5
I think if history is really taught well in schools and it is made sure that the children learn their history and the lessons that came from it, maybe repeated mistakes would be avoided altogether. If we look around, the Filipinos are repeating the same mistakes thier fathers and thier fathers fathers made over and over again, its like a never ending cycle of mistakes.
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