Post by insurrectomad on Mar 13, 2009 10:33:06 GMT -5
I'm working with Drama students at Angeles City School of Performing Arts & making a short drama film of Luna/Mascardo confrontation before the Battle of Bagbag & Calumpit. We want to have soldiers marching to a drum beat and play some bugle calls. Does any know if the Fil. Army used same as Spanish or had original drum and bugle signals, calls and marching beats? i would hate to get it wildly wrong. Insurrectomad
Post by insurrectomad on Mar 16, 2009 4:32:41 GMT -5
Sorry Folks must ask an other question! I've seen a picture of Spearmen marching along a rd. with an officer. Q. is what was their battle & parade drill? Native Filipino tradition or Spanish Pike drill? I was Sgt. of Pike in English Civil War Soc. and we fallowed the manual of De Ghent 1630 (30 yrs War) for both pike & musket drills. Also sword fighting training. As I'm attempting to raise a local squad of Sanatahanes & Spearmen I don't want to be 400yrs out of step! I'm hoping that as Spain held The Netherlands for some time, De Ghent's drill book will be OK? --Salamat! Insurrectomad
Heres some qoutation from G. Dumindin Webpage saying that the first Philippine Army used the 1896 edition of the Spanish Army's Ordinanza del Ejercito to organize its force.
By trhis, I assume that the bugle sound and drum beat used by Filipinos are the same with the Spanish.(Just my Opinion!)
"The Revolutionary Government unified the ragtag Katipunero rebel forces into a cohesive Philippine Revolutionary Army organized along European lines. It gave each conventional unit a nomenclature and organization. The army adopted two official names: in Tagalog, "Hukbong Pilipinong Mapanghimagsik" and in Spanish "Ejército Revolucionario Filipino".
General Artemio "Vibora" Ricarte was designated as Captain-General (Commanding General). He held this post from March 22, 1897 until Jan. 22, 1899 when he was replaced by General Antonio Luna.
When independence was declared on June 12, 1898, the Philippine Revolutionary Army became the Philippine Republican Army.
The first Philippine Army used the 1896 edition of the Spanish army's Ordenanza del Ejercito to organize its forces and establish its character as a modern army. Rules and procedures were laid down for the reorganization of the Army, adoption of new fighting methods, regulation of ranks, adoption of new rank insignias and a standard uniform called rayadillo"
Post by David Banaghan on Mar 16, 2009 23:14:17 GMT -5
It,s good to get some confirmation that they used the Spanish Mil. manual. I wonder why the Macabebe Scouts sent with Gen Funston had to learn The drill of the Republican army if it was the same as the Spanish? The Macabebe had always served in the Militia I thought. Unless those with Funston were young and had no previous experience. Many thanks Macky, David
With regards to the macabebe force lead by Funston to capture Aguinaldo:
If prior to their U.S. service, the only previous military training these macabebe scouts had was among the civil "milicia" under the Spanish, they probably will not have known how to handle firearms in the Spanish way. Milica more often than not means bolos, bamboo spears, and an occasional crude shotgun.
If they were not guardia civil or in any of the old time Spanish colonial regiments, the manual of arms (with rifles) would be missing from their drill.
Funston hired the renegade Spaniard named Lazaro Segovia, an ex-Spanish army nco, ex-Philippine republican army lieutenant to help train the macabebes with "Philippine army drill".
As to what exactly was "Philippine Army drill" circa 1898?, I don't really know...,, the bulk of it may be styled from the Spanish army, with a few French flourishes here and there.
1) But for sure, orders were given in Spanish, Spanish being the lingua franca of the islands at the time. ex. They couldn't have used tagalog to order ilocano troops around and so on. There may be a few minor differences perhaps as to the style of excecuting the commands., but not the basic commands themselves which are in Spanish.
So there would be orders like:
Descansen armas......parade rest
Rompen filas...........break ranks
Presenten armas.............present arms
I suggest watching the movie Los Ultimos de Filipinas, you could get a few Spanish army bugle calls and commands that may be useful, assuming they are much the same as would Aguinaldo's army.
At the beginning, you can hear the bugle call for "present arms", later when the filipinos attack, you can hear the bugle call for "fuego"
There used to be a page dedicated to Spanish army bugle calls or "cornetas" in their Ejercito de la Tierra website, but this was deleted.
2) With regards to marching, the Philippine army of 1898 probabaly marched with a regularly fast pace, maybe faster than the Spanish army.
If we are to use the "Marcha Magadalo" originally in Spanish as a typical Philippine republican army marching song. It had a very fast original beat patterned closely with the French Le Marsellaise. the French army of the period also marched faster than most other armies.
Oh and lastly, let's not forget the all time favorite "toque de corneta" for ordering an attack force to take no prisoners...THE DEGUELLO!
Last Edit: Mar 17, 2009 5:29:34 GMT -5 by RayAdillO
Post by insurrectomad on Mar 28, 2009 11:20:50 GMT -5
Thanks Fellas! That info will do me nicely! Just returned from the Cosplay convention in Manila where I met for the first time JoJo Dy, Selwyn Alojipan & Ding Flores. We did a little display And I went in my white 'Field' uniform as the English 'Soldier of Fortune' (Howard/Macdonald?) who was with the T. de L. M. at San Mateo Battle. We all took photos, so you should see them soon! Mabuha!--David