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Post by indiosbravos on Jun 13, 2008 23:46:09 GMT -5
Any Suggestions if I wanted to do one in Philippines during War with the Japanese? What American Medic Unit did serve in the Philippines? How about the local Unit? (Philippine Army) Taking an inventory in the Medical Supply Issue Section of the 41st Infantry Division. Photograph taken in Zamboanga, 30 March, 1945. Pictured copied from med-dept.com forum
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Post by legionnaire on Jun 13, 2008 23:57:18 GMT -5
There is the 12th Medical regiment PS. I met one of the Vets of that unit a death survivor.
Commonwealth Army of the Philippines medical regiment? I have to check with Ray Ortega on this or I know a UP professor of Philippine History would possible have info on this. Very few and hard to find documentation on this area.
Philip
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Post by VeeVee on Jun 14, 2008 8:03:31 GMT -5
Check out this book: pinoyhistory.proboards22.com/index.cgi?board=books&action=display&thread=332According to this book, the 12th Medical Regiment PS pretty much serviced all units. In many cases detachments were divided and attached to many units including the Phil. Army divisions. The author talked about even insisting that his men spend some time in the frontlines with the PA soldiers. The Author Capt. Paul Ashton talked about a harrowing night when a Japanese infiltrator crawled past his foxhole in pitch dark and he had to bayonet him exactly the way the grizzled Philippine Army sergeant showed him how to. The PS medics wore the same uniform less the combat web gear. In the book, Capt. Ashton talked about the medics carrying .45's to defend themselves from the Japanese. There is also a picture of a Bataan medic in one of my books. I'll post it later.
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Post by victoree on Jun 14, 2008 8:21:57 GMT -5
The question is, would they still have been using the WW1 dressing belt vs the bags/yoke combo. I lean towards the dressing belt, but that needs to be researched.
Martin
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Post by indiosbravos on Jun 14, 2008 18:42:33 GMT -5
That's a valid point Victoree.
I'll try to get that book Victor but not now.....
I'll try to do some digging myself about this and see what I can come up.
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Post by VeeVee on Jun 14, 2008 19:28:00 GMT -5
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Post by victoree on Jun 14, 2008 20:07:17 GMT -5
That was the new pattern. I thought about that photo at work. I also factored in, that they did ship them some new stuff. The 41 khaki hats were one of those items.
Martin
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Post by indiosbravos on Jun 15, 2008 0:01:20 GMT -5
pics of WW1 US medic in France
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Post by VeeVee on Jun 15, 2008 9:09:20 GMT -5
Here's one. It's not of a combat medic. More like an orderly in an aid station. Looks like the fighting hadn't started yet as this guy looks like he was bored. This is what vet Felipe Fernandez of the 26th Cavalry mentioned to me about medics: A section of two medics and two veterinarians were always attached to the troop even in maneuvers. One of the veterinarians, Corporal Bato, was the one who folded our regimental standard, rolled it in a bamboo tube and kept it until the liberation which he turned over to the army in 1945.
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Post by indiosbravos on Sept 25, 2008 0:13:34 GMT -5
apologies for necro posting ;D Martin, is this the one when you mentioned "dressing belt"
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Post by VeeVee on Sept 26, 2008 6:09:14 GMT -5
Wow IB, I've never seen this kind of belt before. I mean with those kinds of pouches.
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Post by VeeVee on Sept 27, 2008 7:47:48 GMT -5
Dr. Maravillas' comment on whether his dad who was an aidman carried a weapon:
Yes-he told me he did, presumably a M-1 Garand, up through the Guagua-Porac line (w/ the 57th I.R., mid-late Dec. 1941), the Battle of Abucay Hacienda (11-12 Jan. 1942-he was in the Abucay Church when the japs shelled it around that time & also recalls the makeshift morgue in that building where he had to help place corpses bloated by the heat) and after as a messenger for the 12th Med. Bn. (Feb.? 1942 until he surrendered near Cabcaben on 9 April 1942) working between the various Hospitals # 1, # 2, & the smaller ones (he remembers seeing the white Angels of Bataan US Army & Filipina civilian nurses at work).- Anthony
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Post by mish on Sept 27, 2008 23:09:48 GMT -5
apologies for necro posting ;D Martin, is this the one when you mentioned "dressing belt" Chiming in... The upper pic is that of an M1910 EM medical belt. Those pouches are designed to carry extra bandages/dressings. Some references say that those belts/pouches were also used to carry extra grenades. Seems fit for that purpose by the appearance... The pouches on the lower pic I've never seen before. If this is from an auction or shop, how did the seller describe it? Nice finds. Tell us how your medic guy is coming along.
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Post by indiosbravos on Sept 28, 2008 20:31:23 GMT -5
The top one, you described it correctly. Used by AEF.
The bottom one, officers naval medical corps belt I think. (not sure).
I'll probably carry a pistol side arm with my impressions. If I'll go with the limited research that I have done and from the help of people and this forum.
I'm done. My PS impressions minus the cartridge belt, just add red cross brassard (or not) Continue to carry my gas mask bag and havershack. It was well know in PTO theater that Medics are number one target by the Japanese snipers. So most of the medics operates inconspicuously and carries a gun. (and bayonet?).
I might try to put up a PS during liberation by then they might be carrying the "medic suspender and bags"(guess). It is interesting to know that there's a picture of a PS using the medic suspender for his cartridge belt. (this practice is also know in ETO for BAR ammo). It is because of the "comfort "that the wide suspender provides. Does this means the medic webbing set reach our shore and was used in the PI?and by the PS?
I hope to do it right and be my main impression. So any comments and corrections will be highly appreciated. I'll keep you posted.
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Post by victoree on Sept 29, 2008 21:08:11 GMT -5
Yeah, that is the belt. I also saw a set of medical bags from the 30's the other day. I gotta remember where it was. The harness was very similiar to the WW2 type. The bags were different though.
Martin
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Post by indiosbravos on Sept 29, 2008 23:56:52 GMT -5
Thanks Martin..They're selling for c.$140 in Ebay....I lost by $2.....
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Post by mish on Sept 30, 2008 5:16:54 GMT -5
Thanks Martin..They're selling for c.$140 in Ebay....I lost by $2..... Per my experience, you should mentally set what amount you're willing to spend for a particular item, and proxy-bid using that maximum. If you're still outbid at auction's end, then there's a minimum of regret since you know you've already put what you're willing to put "out there," well, out there. That, or perfect the not-so-easy-to-perfect skill of sniping, whether manual or via an automated proggie. All due respect to those who hate auction sniping and snipers, of course.
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Post by indiosbravos on Oct 9, 2008 23:41:54 GMT -5
I've managed to spoke to Corporal Dionisio Perez, 12th Medical Regiment -PS he told me that pre -war (late 1930's) they wore WW1 US tunic, breeches and wool puttees....I can only imagine how hot it must have been....they also wore the red cross brassard on their arm.
It was Mc Arthur (who he said was very angry) who ordered them to carry weapon after the Japanese bomb one of the US medical installations in Mariveles, Bataan killing many people.
This was made possible through the effort of Philip.
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