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Post by VeeVee on Jan 5, 2010 21:25:54 GMT -5
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Post by pedroscollection on Jan 18, 2010 20:31:03 GMT -5
Friends; Thankyou for all of you especially those who had attended & did their efforts to be in uniform which added the impact on our over-all presentation. Saan ka makakakita ng lecture na may live visual aids??? Satin lang.
SUMMARY :
> The target audience were the ones who had attended the seminar, not just passers by who care nothing about the subject. The audience were historians, hard core collectors, distinguish guests like the Lopez Family, etc... Presidents of Filipiniana company / libraries, professors, PHD experts in the subject, history, social studies teachers, mediamen from Daily Bulletin, etc...military men, The National Museum, the AFP Museum & Phil. Army Museum curators / staffs, the Spanish friends from Fundacion Santiago & other foreigners like Spanish, Indians, Koreans, Americans,..etc. Its an honor to have guest like this - hindi sila basta basta.
> Nung simula ng lecture kinabahan ako, yung naka-upo sa harap na matanda, kasama yung Pres. ng Silahis Filipiniana shop sa Intramuros (Robert Lane), atat na atat at di makali parang gustong magtanong, Inisip ko, naku mukha yatang matindi ito ah,.. mapapalaban ata ako ng question & answer dito ah... he-he. During Question & answer, nasagot naman yung mga tanong nya. Nung cocktail, sabi nya sakin, he agrees that Battle of Pulang Lupa is really a 100% Filipino victory, but he does not agree with me that the Battle of Balanggiga is a Filipino victory, but rather a masacre since the Americans were having breakfast. In the back of my mind I like to tell him "No, its a victory. Its not necessary that your enemy must be ready before you fight, its not a gentlemen's war. Even Gen. Hudson defeated the Mexicans while they were at rest & not ready to fight. When bombers bomb their targets, do they call their enemy to prepare? So IT'S A FILIPINO VICTORY!!!" Kaso I just smiled & said thank you instead, kasi kung pinatulan ko, baka atakihin sa puso yung matanda at kasalanan ko pa he-he-he.
> We can notice the participation of the audience, everybody focus in listening, they were very alive (not bored). I answered 1 question then told them later nalang yung question after the presentation since I have limitied time. So after the presentation, maraming nag Question & answer & well answered naman at di naman tayo napahiya he-he. I told Chaco to tell the people to start the cocktail party while continuing the question & answers & sharing. The feeling was great answering their questions because it shows that they have the same interest as ours & they really love the subject / topic. The great number of questions show how interested they are at nakaka-pag-pataba ito ng puso.
> A man I believe its Emmanuel Encarnacion (with Richard Lopez on his side), showed me & offer me to photo copy (but limited time) the original documents of Gen. Luna, , Spanish, Phil. Revol. Officers... about the official order & other docs related to the uniform. He gave me 2 posters of the figurine of the Filipino Revol. Soldier. Maybe I'll set an apointment with him separately to photo copy his original documents he offer. I want to call Macky since he is an expert & very interested in written history, but Macky was also entertaining other audience (Prof. & Doctors from other schools).
> Richard Lopez told me that he have lots of collections as shown on my lectures like the Spanish Remington Rifle, Mauser, including the instructions of how to assembly / disassembly, clean, operate, etc... the rifle written in a large fabric (which I've seen from books) & officers collar insignias since their lolo's were colonels & majors during the Phil. Revol. He told me he didn't know all of these, until he saw our lecture. Hiya naman akong kunin yung number nya, kasi sabi nya he'll remember my cell# & contact me.
> Library owners like Mario Feir really ask the group to visit their library at Fort Bonifacio since there are lots of photographs there that we need to study & he believe malaki matutulong nya satin. Its 2x already that he encouraged us to visit the library, one was last Dec 3 opening.
> The reenactors recevied from the National Museum the Certificate of Appreciation from both Dec 3 & Jan 16 reenactment participation.
SOME OF THE COMMENTS :
> They all felt great with our presentation, which I can see from their expressions, Mrs. Purisima Johannot of the Lopez Balayan Group congratulated & thanked us after the lecture.
> Richard Lopez also said, he liked so much our last message "God made us a Filipino not by chance, but by purpose. So let's do our duty to make our nation great & let our heroes feel that they didn't died in vain. - BNK"
> Some commented that this is just our hobby & we are not professionals in this field, having other own work like call center agents, engineer, etc... but they wonder why, how come our group knows allot of these things. The audience were very much impressed. During the cocktail party, Macky, Jojo, the rest of us even answer the audience inquiries, which the inquiries were intelligent questions since these audience were also experts in history.
Buhay na Kasaysayan & Phil Scout Heritage Society group really gained respect on that occassion. I congratulated all of you for our combined efforts!!!! Sa uulitin.
Friends - pls. attach your photos from your camera during this event. I';ll send mine through e-mail since I have no access in placing photos on the forum.
Mabuhay; Perry
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Post by indiosbravos on Jan 19, 2010 1:02:30 GMT -5
I think this was also an opportunity to expand your connections to help the group in terms of sources of info to further and add more details on what you're already doing.
You will not be granted access to archives, etc unless your doing a recognised Academic works which is normally a Master or Phd. Doing this, meeting people and increasing your profile was really a good start.
Lopez Museum is a minefield for Filipiana. Local National Archives is another one. Understanding written Spanish is an advantage but this can come later and long term plan. This is a hobby not a career otherwise I'll say knowing Spanish is a must.
You managed to impressed them and open many people's eyes.... Bravo...
I admired you for graciously not involving yourself in an argument. Your're establishing contact and promoting your works and group and not there to antagonise or patronise people. Difference in opinion can be discuss some other time. Concrete facts on the other hand should be corrected though.
"US Victory".... I know old accounts haven't heard much or aware of Guerilla Tactics or Blitzkrieg... But modern interpreter of accounts and people who have access to " new" war history should have heard those words. " okey chaps we'll land on Omaha but we need to make sure the Germans are aware because I don't wanna be unfair "
When I was in highschool up to college specially upon being bitten by Agoncillo and Ocampo bug... I dreamt of this things to happened. Thanks Perry and co...
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Post by pedroscollection on Jan 19, 2010 2:52:56 GMT -5
Hello Indios Bravos; Thankyou for your appreciation. The presentation became better also due to the reenactors present there in uniform. The authentic uniforms ika nga speaks for itself... he-he. They never seen this kind of presentation, may actual. Uy buti nalang you mentioned that I must not do an argument, either matanda or hindi in this kind of event. I'll take of that next time,... its good attitude / right conduct nga pala not to engage in argument. If the situation turning a dicscussion / sharing into an argument, better na umiwas nalang. Thanks for reminding. By the way what do you mean "When I was in highschool up to college specially upon being bitten by Agoncillo and Ocampo bug... I dreamt of this things to happened. Thanks Perry and co... " ? Were you bitten by the Agoncillo & Ocampo family, friends, fans in an argument? Why, what's their perspective? Are they colonial in mentality? Or they used to make down of the Filipino & its history so much na akala mo di sila Filipino? Yeah you're right "Hello, is this the Nazi? Hey you, prepare your self, I'm going to attack!!!" bwa-ha-ha-ha. Mabuhay; Perry
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Post by pedroscollection on Jan 19, 2010 2:56:13 GMT -5
One audience (Dra. Labrador) had mailed us, appreciating the whole group. She said :
"Hi Sir
My students from Ateneo and I enjoyed your presentation and the presence of your colleagues. It is good that you have pointed out many errors that our textbooks, popular media and even museums commit for their lack of historical accuracies in representing our forebears.
Thank you for the materials you've shared. I'm glad to have made your acquaintance and some of your colleagues. I will definitely get in touch again.
Best regards
Ana Maria Theresa P. Labrador, PhD (Cantab.) Associate Professor of Anthropology Department of Sociology and Anthropology Ground floor, Leong Hall School of Social Sciences, Loyola Schools Ateneo de Manila University Loyola Heights, Quezon City 1108 The Philippines
Phone: (632) 4266001 locals 5270 and 5271"
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Post by RayAdillO on Jan 19, 2010 3:02:14 GMT -5
Congratz Perry and the gang! What a victory! Did the flag and the Class A khaki remain intact in the second package? Don't worry I'll send the "revolutionary tax" of the FedEx people first thing tomorrow, he, he Ray
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Post by pedroscollection on Jan 19, 2010 3:51:32 GMT -5
Hi Ray;
Thanks ha for the padala, pasensya na sa abala din ah... di natin akalain na ganito napala yung system nila. I'll advise you on the contents of the package. Wow Khaki Class A!!!
Kamusta kayo dyan? Any activities involved BNK USE or PSHS there? Here are the next inline activities :
1. TAGCOM Historical Competition - Feb 28' 2010 2. Opening of Diorama at AFP Museum - No info yet 3. Araw ng Kagitingan - Apr 9 - Portfolio for ehnacement to be given to the Bataan organizer
Mabuhay; Perry
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Post by legionnaire on Jan 19, 2010 3:59:10 GMT -5
Hi Perry & Ray,
Did Ray send the items to your home address? As remember the tube I sent to your your home address ended up in Las Pinas and was returned back to Singapore. I hope you had Ray mail it to your work place as that would be the best location to get them and business address always work out the best for that incompetent Philippine PO.
And congradulations to your show again Perry.
Philip
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Post by macky on Jan 19, 2010 8:21:00 GMT -5
Friends; Thankyou for all of you especially those who had attended & did their efforts to be in uniform which added the impact on our over-all presentation. Saan ka makakakita ng lecture na may live visual aids??? Satin lang. SUMMARY : > The target audience were the ones who had attended the seminar, not just passers by who care nothing about the subject. The audience were historians, hard core collectors, distinguish guests like the Lopez Family, etc... Presidents of Filipiniana company / libraries, professors, PHD experts in the subject, history, social studies teachers, mediamen from Daily Bulletin, etc...military men, The National Museum, the AFP Museum & Phil. Army Museum curators / staffs, the Spanish friends from Fundacion Santiago & other foreigners like Spanish, Indians, Koreans, Americans,..etc. Its an honor to have guest like this - hindi sila basta basta. > Nung simula ng lecture kinabahan ako, yung naka-upo sa harap na matanda, kasama yung Pres. ng Silahis Filipiniana shop sa Intramuros (Robert Lane), atat na atat at di makali parang gustong magtanong, Inisip ko, naku mukha yatang matindi ito ah,.. mapapalaban ata ako ng question & answer dito ah... he-he. During Question & answer, nasagot naman yung mga tanong nya. Nung thingytail, sabi nya sakin, he agrees that Battle of Pulang Lupa is really a 100% Filipino victory, but he does not agree with me that the Battle of Balanggiga is a Filipino victory, but rather a masacre since the Americans were having breakfast. In the back of my mind I like to tell him "No, its a victory. Its not necessary that your enemy must be ready before you fight, its not a gentlemen's war. Even Gen. Hudson defeated the Mexicans while they were at rest & not ready to fight. When bombers bomb their targets, do they call their enemy to prepare? So IT'S A FILIPINO VICTORY!!!" Kaso I just smiled & said thank you instead, kasi kung pinatulan ko, baka atakihin sa puso yung matanda at kasalanan ko pa he-he-he. > We can notice the participation of the audience, everybody focus in listening, they were very alive (not bored). I answered 1 question then told them later nalang yung question after the presentation since I have limitied time. So after the presentation, maraming nag Question & answer & well answered naman at di naman tayo napahiya he-he. I told Chaco to tell the people to start the thingytail party while continuing the question & answers & sharing. The feeling was great answering their questions because it shows that they have the same interest as ours & they really love the subject / topic. The great number of questions show how interested they are at nakaka-pag-pataba ito ng puso. > A man I believe its Emmanuel Encarnacion (with Richard Lopez on his side), showed me & offer me to photo copy (but limited time) the original documents of Gen. Luna, , Spanish, Phil. Revol. Officers... about the official order & other docs related to the uniform. He gave me 2 posters of the figurine of the Filipino Revol. Soldier. Maybe I'll set an apointment with him separately to photo copy his original documents he offer. I want to call Macky since he is an expert & very interested in written history, but Macky was also entertaining other audience (Prof. & Doctors from other schools). > Richard Lopez told me that he have lots of collections as shown on my lectures like the Spanish Remington Rifle, Mauser, including the instructions of how to assembly / disassembly, clean, operate, etc... the rifle written in a large fabric (which I've seen from books) & officers collar insignias since their lolo's were colonels & majors during the Phil. Revol. He told me he didn't know all of these, until he saw our lecture. Hiya naman akong kunin yung number nya, kasi sabi nya he'll remember my cell# & contact me. > Library owners like Mario Feir really ask the group to visit their library at Fort Bonifacio since there are lots of photographs there that we need to study & he believe malaki matutulong nya satin. Its 2x already that he encouraged us to visit the library, one was last Dec 3 opening. > The reenactors recevied from the National Museum the Certificate of Appreciation from both Dec 3 & Jan 16 reenactment participation. SOME OF THE COMMENTS : > They all felt great with our presentation, which I can see from their expressions, Mrs. Purisima Johannot of the Lopez Balayan Group congratulated & thanked us after the lecture. > Richard Lopez also said, he liked so much our last message "God made us a Filipino not by chance, but by purpose. So let's do our duty to make our nation great & let our heroes feel that they didn't died in vain. - BNK" > Some commented that this is just our hobby & we are not professionals in this field, having other own work like call center agents, engineer, etc... but they wonder why, how come our group knows allot of these things. The audience were very much impressed. During the thingytail party, Macky, Jojo, the rest of us even answer the audience inquiries, which the inquiries were intelligent questions since these audience were also experts in history. Buhay na Kasaysayan & Phil Scout Heritage Society group really gained respect on that occassion. I congratulated all of you for our combined efforts!!!! Sa uulitin. Friends - pls. attach your photos from your camera during this event. I';ll send mine through e-mail since I have no access in placing photos on the forum. Mabuhay; Perry Perry, Please!! sama mo ko pag meet mo sila uli, gusto kong makita mga regulation ni Luna tungkol sa mga uniforms..--macky
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Post by pedroscollection on Jan 20, 2010 4:17:44 GMT -5
Sure Macky - ikaw nga hinahanap ko nun, kaso may ka-entertain kang mga teachers.
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Post by pedroscollection on Jan 20, 2010 4:49:36 GMT -5
Sure Macky - ikaw nga hinahanap ko nun, kaso may ka-entertain kang mga teachers.
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Post by indiosbravos on Jan 20, 2010 6:38:17 GMT -5
@ Perry, in my highschool days I always dreamt of dressing up as a katipunero, I have no concept what so ever even in college of reenactment or living history but my burning desire was always there.
Before it was only Zaide's book that I know of. Then I got hold of Teodoro Agoncillo and then of Ambeth Ocampo. Both are very good writers and historians....
@ Philip- don't want to say this but that's the reality the best way to send items to PI was through DHL or UPS and the likes. Cost money and at times will be tax... Many times I was ask if I can buy things for them then mail it to PI. I said I'll do it but will not be cost effective. Courier charge will kill you. It's not worth it. Not to mentioned military items are grey area....
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Post by pedroscollection on Jan 26, 2010 2:59:27 GMT -5
Friends;
During the lecture, Mr. Ronald Lim of the Daily Bulletin interviewed us & featured us in the Daily Bulletin last Jan 21' 2010. We really appreciated his effort in supporting our group in promoting our cause. Here's his article :
Wearing history By RONALD S. LIM January 21, 2010, 1:05pm The image of Andres Bonifacio leading the forces of the Katipunan into battle – wearing only a camiso chino and red pants – is an iconic one. For most Filipinos, it is the image that they most identify with the Supremo of the Katipunan. But what most Filipinos may not necessarily know is that Bonifacio and the Katipuneros, just like any armed force in the world, actually had their own set of uniforms. These uniforms evolved, alongside the various adversaries our forefathers had to fight with in order to gain our independence. The evolution of the Philippine revolutionary uniform, as well as the battles that were used in, was the focus of the lecture “The Filipino Revolutionary Uniform: Myths, Facts, and Victorious Battles”. Conducted by Pedro Javier, a collector and member of the Buhay na Kasaysayan Reenactment Group, the lecture is the first in a series being held every Saturday alongside the exhibit “War and Dissent: The U.S. in the Philippines, 1898-1915”, ongoing at the National Museum. “It is important that we know our real heroes. It’s not MacArthur, Napoleon, or Alexander the Great. Our real heroes are the Filipinos who gave their life for the freedom that we have today,” says Javier. “If you look in our museums and in paintings, there are mistakes in the way our national heroes are represented.” JUAN LUNA AS UNIFORM DESIGNER Javier’s lecture uncovered some little known facts about the uniforms worn by the Filipino revolutionaries at the time. For one, while Katipuneros fought wearing the familiar red pants and white camiso chino, they also had a set of uniforms, insignias, and epaulettes that distinguished the ranking officers from ordinary foot soldiers. These were already being used in battle as early as 1896, and were even designed by the great artist Juan Luna. “When Antonio Luna became head of the Philippine Army, replacing Artemio Ricarte, Luna asked the help of his brother to design the uniforms, including the ranks,” explains Javier. “What he came up with is one of the most unique ones I’ve seen in the world because kapag tumataas ‘yung ranggo, dumadami ‘yung insignia. Pero kapag na-promote ka noon, kumukonti ‘yung insignias.” Each unit also had a specific color assigned to them. Red pants were for Aguinaldo’s guard, blue pants for the dreaded Tiradores dela Muerte or Shooters of Death, composed of excellent Filipino snipers. White, on the other hand, was for officers for special occasions. Another interesting fact that Javier brought up during the lecture was that even though the Philippine Revolutionary Army had its own unique uniforms and insignias, a lot of the early fighters went into battle barefoot! “Even those under the Spanish Army were barefoot. Ang ganda ng uniporme sa taas, tapos sa baba! Kapag lumaki ka kasing naka-paa, the tendency is that your soles become thicker. The toes on your foot are also spread wide. Hirap talaga silang naka-sapatos,” explains Javier. According to Javier, the enemies that our ancestors fought against also determined the evolution of the uniforms of the Philippine Revolutionary Army. Since funds were lacking, a lot of the Katipuneros on the battleground would take the outfits of their fallen enemies
THE VICTORIES THE YOUTH MUST KNOW Javier also recounted the triumphant battles that the Katipuneros won and where these uniforms were worn. “Itong mga victories dapat ang tinuturo sa mga kabataan. If you look back at how history has been taught to us, palagi na lang ‘yung mga talo. Ang panalo, ‘yung mga foreigners. Now that we have our freedom, it’s time for us to recognize our people. Itama natin kung ano ang dapat matutunan,” he says. One such battle was the one in Pulang Lupa, Marinduque. Under the leadership of Gen. Maximo Abad, 250 Filipino soldiers and a thousand bolo men defeated the entire American garrison -- in one day! Another battle that Javier noted was the Battle of Paye in San Mateo, Rizal, where Gen. Henry Lawton of the American army fell under the sharp eyes of the Tiradores dela Muerte. “Lawton died 300 yards away from the shooters, who were under the command of Gen. Liecrio Geronimo. There were several Filipinos who were experts. There are accounts from Americans about Filipinos shooting them and killing them from beyond the shooting rang,” says Javier. JUST PICK A UNIFORM Recounting these victorious battles is an important part of the lecture, according to Javier, and is part of the core objectives of the Buhay na Kasaysayan Reenactment Group, which is composed of Filipinos from different walks of life who have a passion for history and dressing up. Buhay na Kasaysayan was first established in 2005 and was inspired by the United States’ Civil War reenactors. Making the uniforms was the biggest challenge the group faced starting out, as most of them aren’t available on the market. “Meron kaming taga-gawa ng uniforms and the research that goes into it is very extensive, especially for the Katipunan uniforms. For the World War II uniforms, most of them are bought from abroad. We also have our own suppliers,” explains Javier. “We would also like to do reenactments, pero hindi pa namin kaya kasi maliit pa lang kami.” The group also visits cosplay conventions to bolster its ranks. Joining the group is easy as well – just pick a uniform from Philippine history and you’re set! “We don’t require money. Hindi mo rin kailangan maging historian. Iba-iba ang professions namin. May engineers, may call center agents, may teachers!” he quips. Javier says that he sees the group as working towards building a Filipino identity that we can all be proud of. “I feel that there is something very noble in this hobby. We change the mindset of the Filipino. We have corruption and crimes in our society because Filipinos are not proud of their identity,” he says. “By doing this, subconsciously, we will change their perspective. We will create Filipino citizens that are patriotic, but we’re not doing it directly. We are slowly incorporating it into their minds.”
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Post by pedroscollection on Jan 26, 2010 3:06:19 GMT -5
Friends;
In-case you see some corrections in the article, I've also informed Ronald the following corrections I saw below :
1.One such battle was the one in Pulang Lupa, Marinduque. Under the leadership of Gen. Maximo Abad, 250 Filipino soldiers and a thousand bolo men defeated the entire American garrison -- in one day!
Correction : Napaghalo mo yung 2 battles : Battle of Pulang Lupa, 38 Filipinos defeated 100 well Armed US troops using rifles & bolos Battle of Catubig - hundred Filipino riflemen & bolomen defeated the US Outpost
2.Recounting these victorious battles is an important part of the lecture, according to Javier, and is part of the core objectives of the Buhay na Kasaysayan Reenactment Group, which is composed of Filipinos from different walks of life who have a passion for history and dressing up. Buhay na Kasaysayan was first established in 2005 and was inspired by the United States’ Civil War reenactors
Correction : We are not inspired specifically in the US Civil War reenactment. It just happen yung nagtatanong sakin ay ang pinaguusapan ay yung US Civil War reenactors sa abroad. Baka sabihin masyado tayong bilib sa Kano he-he. We are inspired from the reenactors abroad generaly which includes Ancient Greeks, Romans, Napoleonic Wars, WWI, WWII, etc...
3.“Meron kaming taga-gawa ng uniforms and the research that goes into it is very extensive, especially for the Katipunan uniforms. For the World War II uniforms, most of them are bought from abroad. We also have our own suppliers,” explains Javier. “We would also like to do reenactments, pero hindi pa namin kaya kasi maliit pa lang kami.”
Correction: “We would also like to do big battle reenactments, pero hindi pa namin kaya kasi maliit pa lang kami.” We can do reenactments, kaso ang di namin kaya so far is the big battle reenactments. **************************************************************************
But regardless, I'm very grateful & its honor for us that we were included in the Daily Newspaper. Thank you Ronald!!!
Mabuhay; Perry
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Post by bulikiti2 on Jan 26, 2010 11:39:33 GMT -5
Haaaayyyy!!!! Kailan ko kaya matatanggap ang mailap ko na " Repro Guinit Sun Helmet " ?? Meron daw na magpapadala nito ;D ;D
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Post by VeeVee on Feb 2, 2010 6:47:51 GMT -5
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Post by VeeVee on Feb 2, 2010 6:51:03 GMT -5
I moved and merged threads...
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Post by paopadd on Feb 2, 2010 8:14:21 GMT -5
How i wished to be there with you Perry, Macky and friends....!!!!
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Post by pedroscollection on Feb 3, 2010 3:02:19 GMT -5
Hi Paolo;
How are you? Yes, we wish you were here with us last Jan16. You're website about the flags are great!!! Lots of new information not available from books & teachings from schools.
More power to you too, you're a part of this success "Together We Succeed".
Mabuhay; Perry
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Post by RayAdillO on Feb 3, 2010 12:10:33 GMT -5
Beautiful presentation, and such a nice presentation hall too. I didn't imagine that the interior rooms of this old building would be so nice. Interested and animated people, good looking uniforms, delicious catered food (with uniformed servers to boot!), what else can a successful operation want?
With regards to Balanggiga, the old gentleman might have made his case better if he were to claim that it was not a"battle" but a "raid", just like the attack on Pearl Harbor....not technically a conventional battle. However, it can be argued that's still part of war.
It was an act of war directed against an armed host, (one that was caught unprepared but still had the means to defend itself had it been more vigilant) and it was successful.
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